NFL Week 8 thread: Oh Troy Aikman, where art thou?

[mjp1542]

The Saints picked second. The Texans took Williams at No. 1. Bush was the obvious pick at No. 2. It wasn't for morale. It was the nearly universally accepted best pick at that spot in the draft. If it helped morale, all the better.

 

[outofplace]

The Saints picked second. The Texans took Williams at No. 1. Bush was the obvious pick at No. 2. It wasn't for morale. It was the nearly universally accepted best pick at that spot in the draft. If it helped morale, all the better.

I'm not saying it was a reach, They certainly weren't going to take Vince Young there. I understand that most draft lists had Bush that high. I just happen to agree with Mizzougrad that you shouldn't take that type of back so high.

albert was the one who brought up the importance of the pick for the fans' morale. I'm just saying that kind of thinking reminds me of the days of Guido Merkins.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Bush (Reggie) might mean more to the Saints than people realize.

I would not have guessed that when he got hurt, but it will be interesting to see if they are an improved team when he comes back.

His presence helps as a decoy -- if nothing else.

It is funny the criticism the Texans got for bypassing Bush and drafting Williams a fgew years ago. Now, Bush is being called a decoy. Last laugh, Houston?

Actually, the Texans took considerably more heat for not drafting Vince Young at the time.

He played high school ball in Houston and had just won the national championship at UT. That's the guy the fans wanted and the Texans were crucified locally for passing on him for Williams.

 

[zagoshe]

Houston - Not one playoff berth since taking Mario Williams.
New Orleans - Super Bowl championship with Reggie Bush.

Seems to me the Saints did just fine.

 

[JC]

So the Texans would have won the Super Bowl if they had drafted Regiie Bush?

 

[zagoshe]

So the Texans would have won the Super Bowl if they had drafted Regiie Bush?

No, but they might have made the playoffs and the Saints likely would not have won the Super Bowl without him.

 

[nmmetsfan]

Troy Aikman > Terry Bradshaw

 

[Oz]

Troy Aikman > Terry Bradshaw

That's funny. Imagine Aikman and his health history in the 1970s, when quarterbacks received far less protection. And I can't imagine Michael Irvin and Alvin Harper pushing off with anywhere near the same success, given how defensive backs could maul receivers however they saw fit.

 

[nmmetsfan]

Troy Aikman > Terry Bradshaw

That's funny. Imagine Aikman and his health history in the 1970s, when quarterbacks received far less protection. And I can't imagine Michael Irvin and Alvin Harper pushing off with anywhere near the same success, given how defensive backs could maul receivers however they saw fit.

Imagine Terry Bradshaw in the 90s with faster defenders and a greater emphasis on accuracy. It works both ways.

 

[nmmetsfan]

Troy Aikman = Terry Bradshaw. Both wildly over-rated based on surrounding casts, most notably on the offensive line.

Fixed.

I think too many people underrate quarterbacks and just how important it is to have a good one and how it takes a great one to sustain success in the NFL. It was true in the 70s, the 90s and still is today.

 

[Oz]

Troy Aikman > Terry Bradshaw

That's funny. Imagine Aikman and his health history in the 1970s, when quarterbacks received far less protection. And I can't imagine Michael Irvin and Alvin Harper pushing off with anywhere near the same success, given how defensive backs could maul receivers however they saw fit.

Imagine Terry Bradshaw in the 90s with faster defenders and a greater emphasis on accuracy. It works both ways.

Bradshaw would probably do well, actually. More quarterback protection and rules favorable to the passing game would translate to more success than Aikman going back to an era where defenses mauled skill-position players. Especially considering how Aikman probably wouldn't stay healthy against those 70s defenses.

Pick any quarterback from the 70s and any from the 90s and the same holds true.

It's not a coincidence that Bradshaw's completion percentage, yardage and touchdowns continued to climb as the NFL continued to put the clamps on what defenses could and couldn't do.

 

[93Devil]

Terry Bradshaw today is called Brett Favre but Bradshaw had a better arm.

Bradshaw was very fast and mobile early in his career.

 

[nmmetsfan]

Too many Steeler fanbois on this board to have unbiased opinions of Bradshaw, but he and Aikman really are comparable, which was the point I was making (yes, I'd take Aikman over Bradshaw)

 

[JC]

So the Texans would have won the Super Bowl if they had drafted Regiie Bush?

No, but they might have made the playoffs and the Saints likely would not have won the Super Bowl without him.

Offense has never been the texans problem. There is not team in the league taht would take Bush over Williams

 

[outofplace]

So the Texans would have won the Super Bowl if they had drafted Regiie Bush?

No, but they might have made the playoffs and the Saints likely would not have won the Super Bowl without him.

Offense has never been the texans problem. There is not team in the league taht would take Bush over Williams

Saying the Texans should have taken Bush over Williams because the Saints won a Super Bowl with Bush is like saying Trent Dilfer turned out to be a better first-round pick than Dan Marino because Dilfer won a Super Bowl. (Yeah, it's a bit of hyperbole, but Williams is still a better player than Bush).

 

[proudpittsburgher]

This has been a pretty interesting debate, but my point in bringing it up originally, is I would love to see those who flogged Houston for making the pick in the first place to admit they were wrong. Honestly, we all have opinions, but many talking heads went over the top about this one when it happened, but we know those people aren't in the business of admitting when they make a mistake. Only pointing out others.

 

[Michael_ Gee]

The reason this pick got roasted is really because so many D linemen who were number one or top five picks in the decade before Williams crapped out. Then, when he started slowly, as many D linemen do, the roasting got worse. Don't forget, in Houston itself, people were rip**** the Texans didn't draft Vince Young, not Bush.

 

[zagoshe]

So the Texans would have won the Super Bowl if they had drafted Regiie Bush?

No, but they might have made the playoffs and the Saints likely would not have won the Super Bowl without him.

Offense has never been the texans problem. There is not team in the league taht would take Bush over Williams

Saying the Texans should have taken Bush over Williams because the Saints won a Super Bowl with Bush is like saying Trent Dilfer turned out to be a better first-round pick than Dan Marino because Dilfer won a Super Bowl. (Yeah, it's a bit of hyperbole, but Williams is still a better player than Bush).

No, only a mental midget and a moron would try and compare Trent Dilfer/Dan Marino and Reggie Bush/Mario Williams. Oh wait a minute....

And that doesn't change the fact that Bush was a very, very big part of the Saints Super Bowl run last year.

 

[zagoshe]

So the Texans would have won the Super Bowl if they had drafted Regiie Bush?

No, but they might have made the playoffs and the Saints likely would not have won the Super Bowl without him.

Offense has never been the texans problem. There is not team in the league taht would take Bush over Williams

Whether Williams is better than Bush is not even remotely relevant to the discussion. The Saints obviously made the right pick for their team - which is what the draft is about.

 

[outofplace]

So the Texans would have won the Super Bowl if they had drafted Regiie Bush?

No, but they might have made the playoffs and the Saints likely would not have won the Super Bowl without him.

Offense has never been the texans problem. There is not team in the league taht would take Bush over Williams

Saying the Texans should have taken Bush over Williams because the Saints won a Super Bowl with Bush is like saying Trent Dilfer turned out to be a better first-round pick than Dan Marino because Dilfer won a Super Bowl. (Yeah, it's a bit of hyperbole, but Williams is still a better player than Bush).

No, only a mental midget and a moron would try and compare Trent Dilfer/Dan Marino and Reggie Bush/Mario Williams. Oh wait a minute....

And that doesn't change the fact that Bush was a very, very big part of the Saints Super Bowl run last year.

Apparently, you fail to understand the concept of hyperbole. I was using an extreme example to make a point. Here, let me explain it so even you can understand.

Williams is a better player than Bush. The fact that Bush played on a Super Bowl team does not change that

Marino is a better player than Dilfer. The fact that Dilfer played on a Super Bowl team does not change that.

See? So simple even you can keep up.