Week 14 NFL Thread

[BYH]

Thank you, BYH, for saying what's been in my head for the last few weeks, even after every Grossman debacle. Greise sucks. I already know how that movie ends. He's like the better-looking Jeff Garcia. He somehow manages to convince, I guess via whisper campaign, people that he deserves a shot everywhere he goes, and he blows time and time again. As a Bears fan, I'd so rather give Rex a shot of work himself through this than go with another retread that will simply **** us in the end too. Because of injuries, Grossman is essentially in his first full season as a starter. The fact that, say, Sean Salisberry feels he can credibly sit back and rip Rex Grossman for ****ty quarterbacking might be the biggest farce in NFL media coverage today. I guess it means we can look forward to a date in the future someday when Billy Volek and Ken Dorsey go on TV every day, telling us how ****ty Peyton Manning's sons are, and how they can't win the big game.[/Bearfanrant!]

My pleasure.

Griese's been with three teams before this and had two pretty good years...and started 16 games in neither season. What in his track record leads people to believe he's a better bet to win three playoff games than Grossman? All those playoff starts Griese has made? All zero of them?

My wife's a big Bears fan so I've seen a lot of Bears games this year. Grossman seems raw and mistake-prone and pretty much a lot like a guy in his first year as a starter. He also seems to have plenty of moxie, guts--the whole world is calling for his head tonight and he was solid--and respect among his teammates. Griese is a guy who gets hurt "tripping over his dog" and gives off an arrogant, distant air.

Maybe the Bears don't win the Super Bowl with Grossman. They surely won't win it with Griese, who would be well into another career by now if his last name was Griswold instead of Griese.

 

[Columbo]

Is Grossman going to play like he did earlier in the year in the playoffs? No. But will be as bad as he was against the Vikings in the playoffs? Not likely either.

Very likely.

And, as immobile as Griese is once he finishes his dropback, he is a superior passer to Grossman.

This decision will sink Lovie.

 

[Oz]

Is Grossman going to play like he did earlier in the year in the playoffs? No. But will be as bad as he was against the Vikings in the playoffs? Not likely either.

And, as immobile as Griese is once he finishes his dropback, he is a superior passer to Grossman.

This decision will sink Lovie.

Bledsoe is a far superior passer to Romo. But if your quarterback is unable to slide in the pocket, avoid pressure and keep plays alive, that won't help you much. That's why Grossman has to be the quarterback.

I just don't see why they misuse him so much. Grossman's great rolling out, where he sees the field better, so of course they insist on him being a drop-back quarterback who stays in the pocket.

Grossman represensts the Bears' best chance to make the Super Bowl and win it. Starting Greise would be to wave the white flag.

 

[lantaur]

All Rex Grossman has to do is be like Trent Dilfer - don't make the risky, stupid throw, hand the ball off a lot and let the defense carry the day (although that might be a little harder with Tommie Harris out).

You'd think the Bears have Peyton Manning on their bench ... but I guess the "other guy" always looks to be that way.

 

[outofplace]

Grossman is still going to kill these guys.

So would Griese.

Thank you, BYH, for saying what's been in my head for the last few weeks, even after every Grossman debacle. Greise sucks. I already know how that movie ends. He's like the better-looking Jeff Garcia. He somehow manages to convince, I guess via whisper campaign, people that he deserves a shot everywhere he goes, and he blows time and time again. As a Bears fan, I'd so rather give Rex a shot of work himself through this than go with another retread that will simply **** us in the end too. Because of injuries, Grossman is essentially in his first full season as a starter. The fact that, say, Sean Salisberry feels he can credibly sit back and rip Rex Grossman for ****ty quarterbacking might be the biggest farce in NFL media coverage today. I guess it means we can look forward to a date in the future someday when Billy Volek and Ken Dorsey go on TV every day, telling us how ****ty Peyton Manning's sons are, and how they can't win the big game.

[/Bearfanrant!]

So now not only can people who never played offer an opinion, now it better be somebody who was damn good, too, right?

Let me preface this by saying I agree with sticking with Grossman simply because Greise sucs. But I'm tired of hearing the first-year starter excuse for Grossman. He isn't. He started games before this season and had time to learn from the sidelines. He is not a rookie and he entered this year with more experience than at least one superior quarterback, Philip Rivers.

 

[aspiring]

But the confidence level in CHi-town is pretty low. Even if the majority of the fan base comes back, does Rex's confidence come back? I know he had a good game last night, but it was against a Rams defense that is mediocre at best. When your season is made up of wins on the backs of your defensee and special teams, you gotta start looking at the offense at some point. That deense lost a key player. Special teams shouldn't be able to hold a team up. A championship team needs to put all three together in a balance game. THe Bears simply can't do it against a quality team from either confrence.

 

[BYH]

So now not only can people who never played offer an opinion, now it better be somebody who was damn good, too, right?

Let me preface this by saying I agree with sticking with Grossman simply because Greise sucs. But I'm tired of hearing the first-year starter excuse for Grossman. He isn't. He started games before this season and had time to learn from the sidelines. He is not a rookie and he entered this year with more experience than at least one superior quarterback, Philip Rivers.

A.) He opened the year with eight starts, counting the playoffs, in three years. EIGHT.

B.) You think guys named LT2 and Antonio Gates and Lorenzo Neal might have a little something to do with Rivers' immediate success? Just a little? A smidge? You think Grossman might not be a little better off with the best RB and TE and FB in the game? A little?

 

[OnTheRiver]

So now not only can people who never played offer an opinion, now it better be somebody who was damn good, too, right?

Let me preface this by saying I agree with sticking with Grossman simply because Greise sucs. But I'm tired of hearing the first-year starter excuse for Grossman. He isn't. He started games before this season and had time to learn from the sidelines. He is not a rookie and he entered this year with more experience than at least one superior quarterback, Philip Rivers.

A.) He opened the year with eight starts, counting the playoffs, in three years. EIGHT.

B.) You think guys named LT2 and Antonio Gates and Lorenzo Neal might have a little something to do with Rivers' immediate success? Just a little? A smidge? You think Grossman might not be a little better off with the best RB and TE and FB in the game? A little?

Quit bringing logic into this ****, BYH.

 

[outofplace]

So now not only can people who never played offer an opinion, now it better be somebody who was damn good, too, right?

Let me preface this by saying I agree with sticking with Grossman simply because Greise sucs. But I'm tired of hearing the first-year starter excuse for Grossman. He isn't. He started games before this season and had time to learn from the sidelines. He is not a rookie and he entered this year with more experience than at least one superior quarterback, Philip Rivers.

A.) He opened the year with eight starts, counting the playoffs, in three years. EIGHT.

B.) You think guys named LT2 and Antonio Gates and Lorenzo Neal might have a little something to do with Rivers' immediate success? Just a little? A smidge? You think Grossman might not be a little better off with the best RB and TE and FB in the game? A little?

Eight starts is more than none, and it also includes three training camps.

And Grossman's problem is as much a matter of making flat-out bad throws as misreading defenses.

It's not like the Bears have no running game. And they may not have a tight end like Gates, but their wideouts are better than what San Diego has. And Neal is more of an advantage for Tomlinson than for Rivers.

If you want to argue that Rivers is an unfair comparison, fine (though he was damn impressive early this season against Pittsburgh when the Steelers shut Tomlinson down), but quit trying to pass Grossman off as a rookie. He isn't one.

 

[Oz]

But Grossman's been dealing with injuries so often, it's not like he's been out there at practice all the time. Rather than spending time throwing routes to receivers during offseasons, he's been rehabbing this or that. The time he spent at the Bears' complex in past years have hardly been quality time working with the team.

So while he's not a rookie and does have eight starts, I can also see where Grossman would be much further behind in his development compared to a Tony Romo, who basically focused all his attention to game tapes, playbooks and doing drills 12 months each year with teammates.