NFL Week 9 thread

[Michael_ Gee]

He's very good. Without his baggage, I'd put him behind only Johnson. But the baggage exists, so I think I'd be happier with a slightly less good receiver without it.

 

[IllMil]

Calvin Johnson, then Dez. I think his baggage stuff is greatly played up by national media. If he were on any other team, nobody would give a **** about the stuff he does. He hasn't actually done anything detrimental in a long, long time.

 

[H.L. Mencken]

He's not better than a healthy Larry Fitzgerald.

 

[nmmetsfan]

My current top 5 in order: C Johnson, Fitzgerald, AJ Green, Bryant, V Jackson. If I go 10 deep I include Julio Jones, D Thomas, Marshall, Cruz and Welker.

 

[IllMil]

He's 6 years younger than Fitzgerald and more explosive than he ever was. There's at least seven guys I'd take ahead of Fitz at this point.

 

[JackReacher]

Locks for me are Calvin, Fitzgerald, and Julio Jones. I'd consider Victor Cruz and Brandon Marshall, too. That's probably it.

 

[IllMil]

I don't expect him to be in anyone's top 10 but at some Jordy Nelson needs to be acknowledged. He makes some amazing catches week in and week out, but never gets the love that even Greg Jennings did. I have no problems saying he's a better WR than Jennings was.

 

[poindexter]

He's not better than a healthy Larry Fitzgerald.

Megatron is so much better than every other receiver it is laughable.

 

[IllMil]

He was referring to Dez, I think. But Fitz is healthy about 10% of the time, so I'm factoring that into my list.

 

[JackReacher]

He's not better than a healthy Larry Fitzgerald.

Megatron is so much better than every other receiver it is laughable.

I think he meant Bryant.

 

[JackReacher]

I don't expect him to be in anyone's top 10 but at some Jordy Nelson needs to be acknowledged. He makes some amazing catches week in and week out, but never gets the love that even Greg Jennings did. I have no problems saying he's a better WR than Jennings was.

That might be a bit much, but he's definitely on his way to being better than Jennings was.

 

[poindexter]

He's not better than a healthy Larry Fitzgerald.

Megatron is so much better than every other receiver it is laughable.

I think he meant Bryant.

I apologize. I stand corrected.

 

[IllMil]

Jennings was great because he and Rodgers and an awesome knack for knowing what the other was going to do. Nelson and Jones make many more "wow" catches than Jennings did, but Jones still gets the dropsies a lot. If we're factoring blocking into the equation, Jennings is useless compared to Nelson. And I'd put Nelson's ability to tight rope the sidelines against anybody in the league. The obvious argument against him is that he has Rodgers, but some of the balls he comes down with are amazing no matter who is throwing it, and he does it on a weekly basis.

That said, my unsolicited top 10:

Calvin Johnson
Dez Bryant
Julio Jones
A.J. Green
Demaryius Thomas
Brandon Marshall
Victor Cruz
Jordy Nelson
Antonio Brown
DeSean Jackson

Thomas and Jones are beasts with YAC. The obvious missing name is Fitz, but it just seems like he is always hurt now and I can't say I'd want him on my team above any of these guys. Percy Harvin and Randall Cobb are just on the outside when healthy, and Andre Johnson is still pretty good even aging.

 

[Michael_ Gee]

IllMil, that argument with Witten as the Cowboys were losing the game is Code Blue baggage. A screaming fit with a coach I could take in stride, but one with another star player is real trouble.

 

[IllMil]

The audio from the tirade would seem to support what all the Cowboys players are saying. Much ado about nothing, IMO.

 

[JackReacher]

The audio from the tirade would seem to support what all the Cowboys players are saying. Much ado about nothing, IMO.

His tirade emcompassed more than the 30-second audio clip, right? Have we heard audio of what he was saying to Witten and Ware? Or any of the others?

 

[Steak Snabler]

Speaking of headcases, Rolando McClain namedrops Aaron Hernandez when discussing why he retired from the NFL:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9892094/rolando-mcclain-trying-get-life-together-tuscaloosa

"I felt like Aaron Hernandez, like I just wanted to kill somebody," McClain said in an interview for this week's ESPN The Magazine.

...

According to the interview, from the moment he signed a contract with the Raiders for a guaranteed $23 million, he became the target of friends and relatives. During a six-month span, he said he spent almost $600,000, mostly on cars, to satisfy requests for money.

 

[nmmetsfan]

IllMil, that argument with Witten as the Cowboys were losing the game is Code Blue baggage. A screaming fit with a coach I could take in stride, but one with another star player is real trouble.

Because players never get in an argument. It's no secret that Dez isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but Sunday's deal was blown way out of proportion. I'd be frustrated too if my team blew a game like that one. Cowboys fans could only hope the other players care that much about winning.

It's the first I've seen him act like that in four seasons. If it becomes a pattern like T.O., flame away.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Cowboys fans could only hope the other players care that much about winning.

 

[JackReacher]

IllMil, that argument with Witten as the Cowboys were losing the game is Code Blue baggage. A screaming fit with a coach I could take in stride, but one with another star player is real trouble.

Because players never get in an argument. It's no secret that Dez isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but Sunday's deal was blown way out of proportion. I'd be frustrated too if my team blew a game like that one. Cowboys fans could only hope the other players care that much about winning.

It's the first I've seen him act like that in four seasons. If it becomes a pattern like T.O., flame away.

I'm sure the other players do care that much about winning. They just act like adults when doing so.