NCAA Week 10

[Baron Scicluna]

Dartmouth stays unbeaten on play that every coach in the world can use as an example of why you should just knock down a Hail Mary instead of trying to intercept it.

It’s Harvard. They’re not that smart.

 

[tapintoamerica]

Where the hell is San Jose State recruiting that they found a guy named Billy Bob?

East Mississippi Junior College?

 

[Michael_ Gee]

Down at Division III, my alma mater Wesleyan beat Williams 27-21 in OT to win the Little Three championship. A Wesleyan chap named David Estevez threw a 52 TD pass, had a 94 yard kickoff return TD, scored the tying TD on a short run with 17 seconds in regulation and ran 25 yards for the winning score. Pretty good game, kid.

 

[BTExpress]

If there is a pure "Wesleyan," why does it seem like every state has its own "Wesleyan" (Ohio Wesleyan, Tennessee Wesleyan, Indiana Wesleyan, etc.)?

 

[Michael_ Gee]

If there is a pure "Wesleyan," why does it seem like every state has its own "Wesleyan" (Ohio Wesleyan, Tennessee Wesleyan, Indiana Wesleyan, etc.)?

Wesleyan in Connecticut was the first (1824, I think). The Methodists were very big on the "Go West, Young Man" so as the church expanded, so did its schools.

 

[BTExpress]

go check your boys recruiting rankings over the last 10 years and tell me it’s indicative of the talent on your team during that time. I’ll save you the look see: Tennessee’s average recruiting ranking on rivals since 2010 is 15.

One more thing . . .

To most on here, a "15th-ranked" class should mean "15th-ranked team in country." Sounds logical.

Nope.

A 15th-ranked class by an SEC team means you are behind Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Auburn and Texas A&M and are neck-and-neck with Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri and South Carolina.

That's a handful of sure losses and another handful of toss-up games. And a record that won't sniff the Top 20 and at best will get you a mediocre bowl slot. And that's what Tennessee accomplished since 2010. Two Music City Bowls, a TaxSlayer Bowl and an Outback Bowl.

And that's all assuming your marvelous 15th-ranked class actually remains intact.

Tennessee's 2020 class currently ranks 23rd in the nation.
And ninth in the SEC.
Good luck with that.

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

One more thing . . .

To most on here, a "15th-ranked" class should mean "15th-ranked team in country." Sounds logical.

Nope.

A 15th-ranked class by an SEC team means you are behind Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn and Texas A&M and are neck-and-neck with Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri and South Carolina.

That's a handful of sure losses and another handful of toss-up games. And a record that won't sniff the Top 20 and at best will get you a mediocre bowl slot. And that's what Tennessee accomplished since 2010. Two Music City Bowls, a TaxSlayer Bowl and an Outback Bowl.

And that's all assuming your marvelous 15th-ranked class actually remains intact.

Tennessee's 2020 class currently ranks 23rd in the nation.
And ninth in the SEC.
Good luck with that.

Explain Michigan then. Another school that has a huge subscriber base. Their only competition was Ohio State for a number of years. Same story. Top 15 ranked classes and they haven't won the Big 10 since 2003.

How about the fact that half of these people analyzing recruits worked at a Fotomat and have zero idea what they're looking at. They just look at a kid's offer sheet and 40 time and toss a star ranking on them.

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

Again, its the greatest scam outside of calling these kids "student athletes." The truth is that, outside of five-star kids that are truly freaks of nature, everyone else is a crap shoot. No one knows what a 16 or 17-year-old is going to grow into, physically or mentally. Pitt signed a two-star kid about a decade ago and everyone thought the coach had lost his mind. His name? James Conner. They also signed another lowly rated guy named Aaron Donald. According to star rankings, Texas has out-recruited TCU for a decade by a wide margin. Which program would you rather have in that time frame?

 

[Starman]

One of my pet peeves is listing players as "athletes."

Everybody's an athlete. Of course everybody knows players frequently change positions as their development goes along, but any time anybody recruits anybody, they've got some ******* idea what positions they're gonna play. Stuff the "ATH" bull****.

 

[BTExpress]

Explain Michigan. Top 15 ranked classes and they haven't won the Big 10 since 2003.

Their final poll rankings the past dozen years: 14-14-19-10-12-23-24-12-NR-NR-18-8.

Doesn't seem too far off for "top 15" ranked talent.

But were their classes really consistently Top 15? They were No. 30 in 2011, No. 17 in 2010, No. 22 in 2018, No. 37 in 2015 and No. 20 in 2014. That's a lot of mediocrity sprinkled in with the occasional Top 10 class.

They were No. 5 in 2017. Cool! But what has happened to that class?

Ranking 10 years of Michigan football recruiting classes

247Sports recruiting class rank: No. 5 nationally, No. 2 Big Ten

The class: WR Donovan Peoples-Jones, DT Aubrey Solomon, OL Cesar Ruiz, DE Luiji Vilain, LB Drew Singleton, CB Ambry Thomas, LB Jordan Anthony, OT Chuck Filiaga, WR Tarik Black, QB Dylan McCaffrey, WR Nico Collins, WR Oliver Martin, LB Josh Ross, DT James Hudson, DE Deron Irving-Bey, DB Jaylen Kelly-Powell, DE Corey Malone-Hatcher, RB O'Maury Samuels, DE Donovan Jeter, OT JaRaymond Hall, CB Benjamin St-Juste, OT Andrew Stueber, S J'Marick Woods, DB Brad Hawkins, OT Joel Honigford, DT Philip Paea, DE Kwity Paye, DL Ben Mason, RB Kurt Taylor, P Brad Robbins


Overview: The 2017 group has some premier talent, but there also were a few misses.

Peoples-Jones, the class's top-ranked receiver in the country, had a breakout sophomore season but has yet to see the field in 2019 because of an injury.

Meanwhile, Solomon, the other five-star in the class, transferred to Tennessee. Singleton, Martin, Hudson, Irving-Bey, Malone-Hatcher, Samuels, Hall, St-Juste and Taylor also are no longer with the program.

Once again, signing day is one thing, keeping those players is another.

In any event, you don't win the Big Ten with "top 15" classes. You win it with Top 5 classes. Urban Meyer's classes at Ohio State were ranked 2-2-4-3-7-2-5 and were 3-1 in the Big Ten Championship game. Michigan can't beat them. This is why. The Buckeyes recruit better, and the rankings clearly reflect that.

 

[Spartan Squad]

You found any deserving hobos yet, @Spartan Squad ? I might need one before this is all over.

Spartans covered at least but damn the defense was bad.

 

[Della9250]

 

[Matt1735]

Willie Taggart, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

Their final poll rankings the past dozen years: 14-14-19-10-12-23-24-12-NR-NR-18-8.

Doesn't seem too far off for "top 15" ranked talent.

But were their classes really consistently Top 15? They were No. 30 in 2011, No. 17 in 2010, No. 22 in 2018, No. 37 in 2015 and No. 20 in 2014. That's a lot of mediocrity sprinkled in with the occasional Top 10 class.

They were No. 5 in 2017. Cool! But what has happened to that class?

Ranking 10 years of Michigan football recruiting classes


Once again, signing day is one thing, keeping those players is another.

In any event, you don't win the Big Ten with "top 15" classes. You win it with Top 5 classes. Urban Meyer's classes at Ohio State were ranked 2-2-4-3-7-2-5 and were 3-1 in the Big Ten Championship game. Michigan can't beat them. This is why. The Buckeyes recruit better, and the rankings clearly reflect that.

now do TCUs recruiting rankings and final rankings compared to Texas.
so which site do you work for, rivals or 247?

 

[BTExpress]

I hate college recruiting!!! Please don't make me post about it anymore.

 

[hondo]

I get it about Taggart. He was incompetent. But how does FSU fire him and UCLA and Nebraska keep their two horrid hires?

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

UCLA has won three in a row at least. Willie sucks But I don’t think canning a guy after 20 games is that great of a move either. It’s pretty common knowledge Jimbo didn’t exactly leave a lot of talent behind.

 

[Della9250]

UCLA has won three in a row at least. Willie sucks But I don’t think canning a guy after 20 games is that great of a move either. It’s pretty common knowledge Jimbo didn’t exactly leave a lot of talent behind.

Well if you go by the recruiting rankings, their current class won't help in that regard.

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

Well if you go by the recruiting rankings, their current class won't help in that regard.

I don’t. If I had, Mack Brown would have seven national titles.

 

[Della9250]

I don’t. If I had, Mack Brown would have seven national titles.

True, but looking at the state of Florida for the 2020 class. The top six players in the state are committed elsewhere. The No. 7 player is committed to Florida State. Then it drops down to 18.