Concussion, depression and the NFL

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93Devil said:
Fenian_Bastard said:
What you are going to see is a helluva lot of former NFL'ers developing Alzheimer's.

Well hopefully we will have a cure for it soon.

I think it is on the radar as something that may be cureable down the road. Maybe?

What's down the road most immediately are therapies that treat AD like diabetes, a condition that is chronic, but not catastrophic. In other words, Grandpa gets kind of charmingly forgetful, but doesn't disappear for days in his pajamas. Believe me, that can be enough.
 
Willie Lanier wore one of those extra pads down the middle of his helmet back in the day and there weren't many people willing to tell Willie he looked stupid. At least not offensive players.
 
Fenian_Bastard said:
What you are going to see is a helluva lot of former NFL'ers developing Alzheimer's.
Already there.

This is from Rick Reilly's first column about the schmuck who tried to scam Pete Pihos, back in March 2004:
Reilly said:
Hey, it's what you do. You look for Hall of Famers who are either punch-drunk or suffering from dementia or Alzheimer's. You contacted Ernie Stautner, the Pittsburgh Steelers great who has Alzheimer's, about paying him to sign autographs and to buy memorabilia. Calling yourself "Dr. James Hart," you spoke to his wife, Jill, who agreed to a meeting in Dallas but not at their home and only if you paid in cash. You never came.

You also set up a meeting with Baltimore Colts great John Mackey, who cannot remember what he had for breakfast today. This time you said you were "Dr. James Hart," psychologist. But you never showed, leaving Mackey and his wife, Sylvia, waiting at a Baltimore hotel for three hours.

Which NFL legend will you try to steal from next? Jim Ringo, the Green Bay Packers center? Steve Van Buren, the Eagles' coal train of a halfback? John Henry Johnson, the Steelers' workhorse? They've all got Alzheimer's. Otto Graham had it, too, and Tom Fears died from it. The AMA hasn't quite proved the link between all those years of taking forearms to the head and Alzheimer's, but you know. And you're using it to line your pockets.

http://www.pihos.com/SI1.htm
 
Thanks, Pseudo.

Yes, we're already there, certainly. And it's not just NFLers. It's a lot of college oldtimers, too -- including a member of my family -- who suffer from essentially dementia pugilistica ... punch-drunk boxers' syndrome ... after so many blows to the head all those years ago.

This is not new. Sadly.
 
Here's an eight-year-old article comparing how boxing handles concussions and how the NFL handles them:

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/966/defense-boxing/
 
pseudo said:
Fenian_Bastard said:
What you are going to see is a helluva lot of former NFL'ers developing Alzheimer's.
Already there.

This is from Rick Reilly's first column about the schmuck who tried to scam Pete Pihos, back in March 2004:
Reilly said:
Hey, it's what you do. You look for Hall of Famers who are either punch-drunk or suffering from dementia or Alzheimer's. You contacted Ernie Stautner, the Pittsburgh Steelers great who has Alzheimer's, about paying him to sign autographs and to buy memorabilia. Calling yourself "Dr. James Hart," you spoke to his wife, Jill, who agreed to a meeting in Dallas but not at their home and only if you paid in cash. You never came.

You also set up a meeting with Baltimore Colts great John Mackey, who cannot remember what he had for breakfast today. This time you said you were "Dr. James Hart," psychologist. But you never showed, leaving Mackey and his wife, Sylvia, waiting at a Baltimore hotel for three hours.

Which NFL legend will you try to steal from next? Jim Ringo, the Green Bay Packers center? Steve Van Buren, the Eagles' coal train of a halfback? John Henry Johnson, the Steelers' workhorse? They've all got Alzheimer's. Otto Graham had it, too, and Tom Fears died from it. The AMA hasn't quite proved the link between all those years of taking forearms to the head and Alzheimer's, but you know. And you're using it to line your pockets.

http://www.pihos.com/SI1.htm

Wow, that is some flat-out vile stuff Reilly had to write about. That con artist should be forced to take hits from an up-cycle Shawne Merriman every day for six months, if not more. My neighbor across the street was a guard for the Packers and Cowboys during the early & mid 80s, and he says his knees are constantly in pain, even after shedding 60 or so pounds. I hope and pray those are the only things that are bothering him.
 
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http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2009/12/18/the-price-of-playing-with-a-life/?icid=main|aim|dl6|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fncaafootball.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F12%2F18%2Fthe-price-of-playing-with-a-life%2F

Figured I'd resurrect an old thread rather than let this get lost in the NFL one. It's another story about a mishandled concussion.
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jeff_pearlman/12/18/pear/index.html

Here's the link to a related story about former NFL player Dave Pear that is on another thread.
 
Is football still more morally acceptable than boxing because the object of the game is not to injure the opponent?
 
I'm depressed about the NFL but mostly it's because of the craptastic matchups I'm offered each Sunday afternoon.
 
I'm reminded of Gene Hickerson's Hall of Fame induction. The poor man appeared to have no clue what was going on around him.
 
Liut said:
I'm reminded of Gene Hickerson's Hall of Fame induction. The poor man appeared to have no clue what was going on around him.

For far too long, coaches and players have inserted themselves back into situations where they should have been taken out for a week or longer. This isn't about machismo or taking one for the team, or not letting all the other players down, its about making sure you are healthy and have a quality of life when you get older.

It just seems that there is a lot more attention being paid to concussions now.
 
Brooklyn Bridge said:
Liut said:
I'm reminded of Gene Hickerson's Hall of Fame induction. The poor man appeared to have no clue what was going on around him.

For far too long, coaches and players have inserted themselves back into situations where they should have been taken out for a week or longer. This isn't about machismo or taking one for the team, or not letting all the other players down,
It most definitely IS about all that.
 
Brooklyn Bridge said:
Liut said:
I'm reminded of Gene Hickerson's Hall of Fame induction. The poor man appeared to have no clue what was going on around him.

For far too long, coaches and players have inserted themselves back into situations where they should have been taken out for a week or longer. This isn't about machismo or taking one for the team, or not letting all the other players down, its about making sure you are healthy and have a quality of life when you get older.

It just seems that there is a lot more attention being paid to concussions now.

FYI, Alan Schwarz' continuing work on this issue has been the most important sportswriting done this year but since it's about a boring topic like concussions and gets pretty technical at times, it isn't getting the notice it deserves compared to, say, Tiger Woods' conga line of hookers.

Regardless, this is going to have a pretty profound effect on football. Not just the NFL, but football, from pee-wee leagues to high school to college to the pros.

Great work, Alan.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/20/sports/football/20nfl.html?_r=2&ref=sports

Here is a story by Schwarz that ran yesterday about the NFL suspending its study of concussions, which was drawing criticism for conflicts of interest and other issues.
 
The Big Ragu said:
jgmacg said:
A new study out today links concussion with higher rates of depression among retired NFL players.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/31/sports/football/31concussions.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Any chance the NFL and the NFLPA institute better follow-up programs for former players?

This info has been out there for so long, jgmacg, and the league and the union couldn't have given a ****. For a while, I believe the union was even taking the tact that it needed to be studied better because they didn't want to deal with more claims to their disability fund. It has gotten so much attention in the last year, though, with Ted Johnson and now with Andre Waters dying, that I think they are going to address it--but only because they have to. As the story points out, one of Roger Goodell's new initiatives is to have players have a brainscan done now before they start playing in the NFL so there is a basis for comparison later on. It's a small positive, at least.

If the NFL really gave a crap, it would have done something a long time ago. Oversized men violently colliding repeatedly. The men suffer head injuries. Whoda thunk it?

It's about the almighty dollar. That's not saying that it's right - that's just the way it is, sadly.
 
WolvEagle said:
The Big Ragu said:
jgmacg said:
A new study out today links concussion with higher rates of depression among retired NFL players.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/31/sports/football/31concussions.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Any chance the NFL and the NFLPA institute better follow-up programs for former players?

This info has been out there for so long, jgmacg, and the league and the union couldn't have given a ****. For a while, I believe the union was even taking the tact that it needed to be studied better because they didn't want to deal with more claims to their disability fund. It has gotten so much attention in the last year, though, with Ted Johnson and now with Andre Waters dying, that I think they are going to address it--but only because they have to. As the story points out, one of Roger Goodell's new initiatives is to have players have a brainscan done now before they start playing in the NFL so there is a basis for comparison later on. It's a small positive, at least.

If the NFL really gave a crap, it would have done something a long time ago. Oversized men violently colliding repeatedly. The men suffer head injuries. Whoda thunk it?

It's about the almighty dollar. That's not saying that it's right - that's just the way it is, sadly.

You realize you're responding to posts made two and a half years ago, right?
 

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