2009 NFL coaching carousel thread

[Mizzougrad96]

If you believe Saban wouldn't jump back into the NFL for the right paycheck, you're crazy. Plain and simple. He'd probably go WITHOUT his wife for the right money. And if he goes anywhere, wouldn't it be West Virginia?

I don't see any way a NFL team would give Saban another shot, especially considering what they would have to pay him and how much power they would have to give him.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Saban to the Skins? Makes my skin crawl.

Well, if anyone if dumb enough to pull the trigger on that one, it's Snyder.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

It's funny, but before the season if someone asked you to name the best coach in the NFL other than Belichick, who would you have picked?

I really think there would only be two possible answers: Jeff Fisher or Tom Coughlin. Maybe Sean Payton, maybe Mike Tomlin, but I would bet Fisher would have been the overwhelming winner.

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

It's questionable how much talent the Raiders actually have when the word is that nobody was interested when asked around the deadline what Oakland players they liked. They have a star corner, a great punter, an old defensive lineman and a decent tight end. That it.

I'm sure there's not a team in the league that wouldn't like to have Nnamdi Asomugha, or Darren McFadden, for that matter. It's just that I'm guessing the Raiders' asking price was far too high ...

I don't think McFadden will be anything other than a specific in somebody's Wildcat package. He's a Ki-Jana Carter or Rashaan Salaam clone who fumbles too much.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

It's questionable how much talent the Raiders actually have when the word is that nobody was interested when asked around the deadline what Oakland players they liked. They have a star corner, a great punter, an old defensive lineman and a decent tight end. That it.

I'm sure there's not a team in the league that wouldn't like to have Nnamdi Asomugha, or Darren McFadden, for that matter. It's just that I'm guessing the Raiders' asking price was far too high ...

I read in one of the Bay Area papers that Asomugha was the only untouchable.

I still find it amazing that the Raiders are only seven years removed from a Super Bowl appearance.

 

[cwilson3]

I honestly don't think Eric Mangini has shown anything more than Raheem Morris. His team has been in two games all season and the players that matter all hate him. He's traded away the only two exciting players on offense and the only guy on his defense worthy of starting in the NFL also hates him. Although, I'd be willing to bet the Browns' owner doesn't even know the team's record right now, so Mangini is safe for at least two more years.

 

[outofplace]

It's funny, but before the season if someone asked you to name the best coach in the NFL other than Belichick, who would you have picked?

I really think there would only be two possible answers: Jeff Fisher or Tom Coughlin. Maybe Sean Payton, maybe Mike Tomlin, but I would bet Fisher would have been the overwhelming winner.

I still think Fisher is a very good coach, but maybe his act has gotten stale there.

Sometimes good coaches do a bad job. Take Bill Cowher as an example. He was a very good coach for the Steelers. Some have even suggested that finally winning a Super Bowl might have made him a Hall of Famer even if he doesn't return to the sidelines. I'm not so sure about that, but he still has a heck of a resume.

That said, I thought Cowher did a terrible coaching job with the Steelers in 2006. He badly mishandled Roethlisberger, rushing him back into the lineup when he was nowhere near his normal self, and whatever he did to combat the Super Bowl hangover didn't work. It took that team until midseason to get its collective act together and some of that has to go on the coaching (the rest going on the quarterback for being an idiot and nearly getting himself killed).

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

Bill Walsh used to tell his apostles never to stay in one place for more than 10 years.

 

[Pancamo]

It's funny, but before the season if someone asked you to name the best coach in the NFL other than Belichick, who would you have picked?

I really think there would only be two possible answers: Jeff Fisher or Tom Coughlin. Maybe Sean Payton, maybe Mike Tomlin, but I would bet Fisher would have been the overwhelming winner.

And as I have said before, the resume of Jeff Fisher doesn't compare to the myth of Jeff Fisher.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

It's funny, but before the season if someone asked you to name the best coach in the NFL other than Belichick, who would you have picked?

I really think there would only be two possible answers: Jeff Fisher or Tom Coughlin. Maybe Sean Payton, maybe Mike Tomlin, but I would bet Fisher would have been the overwhelming winner.

And as I have said before, the resume of Jeff Fisher doesn't compare to the myth of Jeff Fisher.

That could very well be true, in part because Fisher may be the most likable coach in the NFL.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Bill Walsh used to tell his apostles never to stay in one place for more than 10 years.

That's really good advice. I don't care if you're the greatest coach in the league, unless you win like Belichick, the players just start to tune you out at some point.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

It's rumored that Joe Gibbs is going to be hired for a Parcells-like position with the Skins. I wonder how that would possibly change the coaching search since I don't see Cowher or Shanahan working for Gibbs. I wonder if Gibbs would hire someone like Gregg Williams.

 

[Pancamo]

Gibbs will just add to the Redskin mess. He is the one who traded a future #1 so he could draft Jason Campbell. He loved Brunell when Brunell was done.

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

It's always going to end badly. Holmgren knew that in Seattle and got out after exactly 10. Denny Green and Billick had already reached stagnancy before their last years and should have gotten out sooner. One of those Top 10 shows on NFLN had a program about records that will never fall. Landry's 29 years in Dallas was on the list -- but it should have been No. 1.

 

[outofplace]

It's always going to end badly. Holmgren knew that in Seattle and got out after exactly 10. Denny Green and Billick had already reached stagnancy before their last years and should have gotten out sooner. One of those Top 10 shows on NFLN had a program about records that will never fall. Landry's 29 years in Dallas was on the list -- but it should have been No. 1.

Agreed. Cowher had the perfect set-up for longevity. He was young when he started (34 years old). He had fairly consistent success, including a Super Bowl victory. Team ownership is patient enough to wait through the rough patches. He was coaching his home-town team. With all that, he didn't even make it to 20 years. No way anybody matches Landry.

 

[Starman]

If you believe Saban wouldn't jump back into the NFL for the right paycheck, you're crazy. Plain and simple. He'd probably go WITHOUT his wife for the right money. And if he goes anywhere, wouldn't it be West Virginia?

I don't see any way a NFL team would give Saban another shot, especially considering what they would have to pay him and how much power they would have to give him.

Plus, the absolutely Millenesque job he did with the Dolphins, with pretty much complete control of player personnel, converting the remnants of a 10-6 team (two seasons before he arrived) to 1-15 (the year after he left).

What that means is that nobody with the slightest smidgen of common sense would hire him to coach and run an NFL franchise, but all it takes is one idiot.

Of course, one factor is that Saban gets a $40 million payout from Bama should his contract be terminated (for any reason, by either party) at any time prior to its expiration date.

 

[JackReacher]

It's rumored that Joe Gibbs is going to be hired for a Parcells-like position with the Skins. I wonder how that would possibly change the coaching search since I don't see Cowher or Shanahan working for Gibbs. I wonder if Gibbs would hire someone like Gregg Williams.

Rumored by who? PFT? Take EVERYTHING that guy says with a grain of salt, especially this. In fact, the WaPo is already on it, saying sources close to Gibbs seriously doubt he'd ever do that.

Remember, Florio wrote that Andy Reid was holding Vick out of the second preseason game so he could make his debut at home, obviously unaware that Vick wasn't even ALLOWED to play until the third preseason game.

Why would I believe anything Florio has to say?

 

[outofplace]

If you believe Saban wouldn't jump back into the NFL for the right paycheck, you're crazy. Plain and simple. He'd probably go WITHOUT his wife for the right money. And if he goes anywhere, wouldn't it be West Virginia?

I don't see any way a NFL team would give Saban another shot, especially considering what they would have to pay him and how much power they would have to give him.

Plus, the absolutely Millenesque job he did with the Dolphins, with pretty much complete control of player personnel, converting the remnants of a 10-6 team (two seasons before he arrived) to 1-15 (the year after he left).

What that means is that nobody with the slightest smidgen of common sense would hire him to coach and run an NFL franchise, but all it takes is one idiot.

Of course, one factor is that Saban gets a $40 million payout from Bama should his contract be terminated (for any reason, by either party) at any time prior to its expiration date.

Wait, Saban has a clause that gives him a $40 million payout even if he is the one who terminates the contract early?

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

If Cowher were going to be ****canned it would have been near those thin years in the late '90s with Stewart, before he briefly turned himself around.

 

[outofplace]

If Cowher were going to be ****canned it would have been near those thin years in the late '90s with Stewart, before he briefly turned himself around.

Exactly. That's what I was thinking of when I used him as an example. Even before he won a Super Bowl, the Rooneys were extremely patient with him. He would have had even more slack after 2005 if he had wanted it.