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My guess is Bruce isn't often mentioned b/c he didn't play a glamour position. He also somehow played 11 seasons...so even though he was a bust by most standards, he managed to stick around as a role player.
He didn't redefine the suck at QB, nor did he have multiple public blowups, nor did he retire at 26. BTW, want a laugh? Check out Ryan Leaf's wiki page before it gets cleaned up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Leaf
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Appgrad05 said:
Too early.
AlleyAllen said:
He might end up being a good pro. But at No. 1? Nah. You don't draft right tackles that high.
Really, I don't like any guys from this year's draft, at least for that No. 1 position. I was hoping Parcells would let his time lapse once or twice and move down to No. 3 or 4.
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Appgrad05 said:
Long can play either tackle, and because this is such a muddled draft, I believe Long is the safest pick. Sure, there will be plenty of great players to emerge, but right now, it doesn't seem like there is a can't-miss-type...a title I think Long is closest to reaching.
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Both Entman and Carter should be lower. They weren't busts for any reason other than their knees betraying them.
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Piotr Rasputin said:
That's always the debate that comes up over this. Are they a bust because they sucked or a bust for their team because they were never healthy? I'd say a bust is a bust, because it's the team's big shot.
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Incredibly dumb to include Vick on any draft-bust list. The guy rejuvenated a franchise and won a playoff game in Lambeau, which had last been done by a visiting team in ... never. If he had been seriously injured in a car wreck a year ago or suffered through something else that similarly would have ended his playing career as the dog fighting has appeared to do, I don't believe his name would be thrown on these lists. But the dog stuff was so egregious that now Vick's entire career is being rewritten? That's a little too much revisionist history for me.
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I think a bust is a dude who gets every shot, and as the years go by, people say, "Man, they should never have drafted that bum."
That's a lot different than, "Oh, crap, he just kept getting hurt."
And: agree with playthrough on Vick. When his photo came up first when I saw this list earlier, I laughed. What?
That's a lot different than, "Oh, crap, he just kept getting hurt."
And: agree with playthrough on Vick. When his photo came up first when I saw this list earlier, I laughed. What?
AlleyAllen said:
Exactly, a bust is a bust. Also, the impact on a team's salary cap has to be included. Recent picks like Carr and Couch were much more devastating to their respective franchises because of the huge sums of money dished out to them upfront.
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Long is definitey the safest pick... If I have the No. 1 pick, I want an immediate superstar. If this guy is anything less than Orlando Pace or Walter Jones he'll be a colossal disappointment... For that kind of money he had better be a Pro Bowl left tackle immediately...
Do you think he'll be any better than Joe Thomas? I don't...
Do you think he'll be any better than Joe Thomas? I don't...
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Worst is so relative... I would consider Aundray Bruce the worst of my lifetime...
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This one came before anybody was worrying about salary structures, but Gary Glick used to turn up on these lists. He was probably only left off of this one because he has been forgotten.
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I love that D. Sanchez's avatar is Captain Avatar.
Worst No. 1? Sims in my book.
Worst No. 1? Sims in my book.
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Mizzougrad96 said:
I can't say he's going to be better than Thomas, but I can't say he'll be worse, either.
My point is, who is an immediate guaranteed superstar in this draft. It seems to be a deep draft, but I don't see a slam dunk.
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Darren McFadden is a guaranteed supertsar!! He's DARREN MCFADDEN!!!!!!" [/E60reporters]
(I just noticed the typo on superstar, but I kind of like "supertsar."
(I just noticed the typo on superstar, but I kind of like "supertsar."
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outofplace said:
Talk about firing up the Wayback Machine.
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AlleyAllen said:
Yup. I remember learning the story on some old NFL Films show. He was a bonus pick, first overall, in 1956 (Don't ask me to explain the bonus pick. I forget what the deal was.) They took him because they loved his versatility. Too bad that just meant he was below average at a whole bunch of positions.
One more factor: he's from upstate NY (Syracuse).micropolitan guy said:
The Bills needed to fix a horrid defense that had allowed a franchise record 394 points in 1971, and Lombardi Award winner Patulski was the obvious choice. He did lead Buffalo with five sacks in his rookie year, but instantly became the second-best DE on the roster when the Bills traded for Earl Edwards the following season. He didn't suck; he just never lived up to the #1 hype. Still, you won't find much argument from Bills fans about this one.
On the other hand, we like Cousineau -- trading him to Cleveland brought the pick used to select Jim Kelly. Worth every penny of the contract he never signed.
