Zeke12 said:
outofplace said:
BYH said:
Simon_Cowbell said:
BYH said:
Baseball's salary structure needs to be re-worked. After all, it's not fair the Marlins can land one of the best players on the planet as a mere rental. muahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
I'll still believe this when I see it.
Man... you and your understanding of finances need to take a rest.
The Marlins would get Manny for two months, and lose a burgeoning left-handed power hitter.
Awful math.
I wasn't trying to derail this--I swear--and heaven knows there's one humorless small-market chap here who is just looking for an excuse to crap all over the thread. Psst: It's not you.
My point was that it's a pretty good indicator that baseball's working pretty well when the team with the lowest payroll in the game is thinking of making a trade like this.
All that said, I will once again believe this when I see it.
Let's recap.
The Marlins reportedly killed this deal over money. They insisted on getting $9 million from the Red Sox even though Ramirez is only owed $7 million for the rest of the season.
Ramirez is instead going to the Dodgers, a large-market franchise, because the low-revenue Marlins backed out over money.
And the low-revenue Pirates unloaded yet another quality veteran for prospects.
So, if Ramirez going to the Marlins would have been proof that the system is working, what does this turn of events mean?
Please, please tell me you're kidding.
I like how outofplace scolded me for bringing this up and trying to drag the thread down...then brought this up and tried to drag the thread down mere hours later. And, as Zeke noted, brought so little to the table you have to hope he was joking.
This says nothing about the system and everything about how the Marlins are laughing all the way to the bank and making money hand over fist as they create reasons why they can't compete with the big boys. The Red Sox were willing to pick up all of what Ramirez was owed the rest of the year--AND THE DODGERS TOOK THEM UP ON THE OFFER!!!! THE BIG MARKET DODGERS!!!!--yet the Marlins WANTED MORE MONEY!!!
What the ****? That's chutzpah on an incomprehensible level. it's not good enough to get a player who can send them deep into the playoffs. They need to make AN EXTRA $2 MILLION TOO!!! THAT'S WHY TEHY BACKED OUT...THEY WERE GETTING ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE GAME FOR FREE, from a financial standpoint, AND THEY WANTED MORE MONEY!!!
David Samson and Jeffrey Loria do not care, one whit, about winning. They want to bleed every cent they can and don't care about anything else. they would come up with reasons why the system is broken no matter where they are. if the system is broken, why are they on their second team? If the system is broken, why are they sticking around to try and land a baseball-only stadium? So they can sell this franchise for a ****pot of money in 2013, or whenever the stadium opens.
For crying out loud, even Simon Cowbell--the board's lone Marlins fan and as fervently pro-blow-the-whole-thing-up-and-start-again as anyone on the planet--recognizes the Marlins came up with an excuse as to why they couldn't handle swimming in the deep end. They're wearing those floater things and hanging on to a kickboard and they've got lifeguards surrounding them and guess what, the deep endi s actually only four feet deep...but wait, I can't swim because I don't have my nose plugs in. Let me out of the pool.
The system is just fine. It's the Marlins who are an embarrassment. Not the system.
As for your other "points."
Manny is going to the Dodgers b/c they're so cheap they asked THE INDIANS to pay for Casey Blake's contract. It is laughable on an epic scale that you think this proves the big markets bully the little markets, because the Dodgers are in about as big a market as you'll find and Frank McCourt runs them like he's auditioning for a job with Sam Zell. The system? For crying out loud.
As for the prospects the Pirates got...do you even know anything about Hansen, Moss, Tabata, McCutchen, Ohlendorf and Karstens? Maybe Rotoworld didn't have a lot on them last week. Or do you just anonymously dub them as "prospects" because it's easier to shape your argument around the thesis that the Pirates had to sell off yet again?
Except for Tabata, they're all younger players who have done just about everything they can in the minors and need to sink or swim with a team that can afford to give them some rope and/or extended playing time. Brandon Moss is going to be better than David Murphy, who might win Rookie of the Year in the AL.
It's not like they got crap. They got experienced prospects, as much of a contradiction as that sounds, who can help them right away. And in Tabata they got a guy who still has big-time upside despite his problems. And yes: I said last week I don't think Tabata will ever pan out. but for a team that has been reluctant to invest in the amateur market, this is the best way to get a potential five-tool guy.
But maybe they're going to start investing. They got nine younger players (with LaRoche and Bryan Morris from the Dodgers) for a trio of guys at or beyond their career peak. If they're going to start over again, that's a pretty good way to do it. If they're going to ditch Bay and Nady and Marte in order to sign Pedro Alvarez...good. That's what small market teams should do. Because if it blows up in their face, it still cost them less than one year of a free agent.
I would think a Pirates fan would be happy with that. Instead, you come up with reasons why it's proof the market is screwing you. With an attitude like that, you should root for the Marlins.
I am done with responding to you on this topic, because I still can't believe I spent this much time answering one of the most flawed, passive-aggressive and antagonistic posts I've ever seen. So knock yourself out.
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