LeRoy Butler doesn't back down

[hondo]

I don't approve of the Boston Marathon bombers's actions, but I sure as hell respect them for standing up for their religious beliefs. Must have been a scary thing for them to do. They should be lauded.

Wasn't aware Jason Collins killed anyone in defense of his decision to live his personal life.

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

I don't approve of the Boston Marathon bombers's actions, but I sure as hell respect them for standing up for their religious beliefs. Must have been a scary thing for them to do. They should be lauded.

Wasn't aware Jason Collins killed anyone in defense of his decision to live his personal life.

What's it matter? Sin's sin.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Burn!

Hold on while I have my wife log in to defend me.

Why would you drag CB into this? Seriously. She never gets involve in any of my online bull****. If you want to go back and forth and **** around with each other, fine. I'm all for that. But are you that much of a worthless little ***** that after a couple posts you have to resort to that? That's a rhetorical question, by the way.

And if a moderator wants to delete this post, just go ahead and ban me.

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/posts/3598669/

 

[YGBFKM]

Burn!

Hold on while I have my wife log in to defend me.

Why would you drag CB into this? Seriously. She never gets involve in any of my online bull****. If you want to go back and forth and **** around with each other, fine. I'm all for that. But are you that much of a worthless little ***** that after a couple posts you have to resort to that? That's a rhetorical question, by the way.

And if a moderator wants to delete this post, just go ahead and ban me.

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/posts/3598669/

Yes, that was a totally uncalled for response. ****ing idiot.

 

[lantaur]

"He said that he speaks to several churches every year, and that sponsors usually help the church raise money to cover his fee - in this case $8,500 - and in turn, donations are collected during the event to benefit the church."

I know Butler has a charitable foundation which he often donates $ to from his appearances, but I cannot say for sure that was his plan here. Either way, wanted to get that fact out there for those questioning about the $ and who haven't read the story.

 

[BTExpress]

Can't have it both ways.

Every human's head would explode if they really couldn't have it both ways (or two dozen ways).

As Descartes kind of said . . . "I rationalize, therefore I am."

 

[old_tony]

I'm amused somebody broke one the 10 Commandments while arguing in favor of strict interpretation of the Bible.

I am arguing that churches who claim to be Christian churches should not waffle on their beliefs even if their beliefs offend the sensibilities of the American culture.

The message of Jesus -- you know the one in the "1,000 year old book" -- hasn't changed and shouldn't change just because our culture is changing.

In many ways it is SUPPOSED to be offensive as Christ was considered a radical when he walked this earth and many of the things he said were contrary to the culture of the time.

Again, I am one of the least religious people around, don't go to church.

I just wish churches would stay true to who they are or at least claim to be, it is the last place on earth where political correctness and hurting people's feelings is supposed to matter.

The interpretation of the Bible, theology and Jesus has constantly changed over the centuries. This is nothing new.

Even the inclusive churches can find Biblical support for their stances, such as Corinthians 13:13 and the Golden Rule.

If you go searching hard enough you can find an isolated scripture to justify any lifestyle.

That doesn't make it right.

And fundamentalists and the fundamentals of sin and holiness have not evolved or changed.

Man may have evolved them and changed them, but they haven't changed.

And I hate that this is turning into a theological discussion as I am probably more anti-religion than most.

Conversely ...

"If you go searching hard enough you can find an isolated scripture to justify condemning any lifestyle.

That doesn't make it right."

Jesus reached out to the sinners and the untouchables. He was a big tent kind believer who dispensed more hugs than fire and brimstone.

And the main tenet of Jesus' reaching out always was, "Sin no more." I guarantee you that if Jesus came back to earth and reached out to the gay community but also said, "Sin no more," the majority of the left would reject his message. After all, can't rein in "If it feels good, do it."

 

[LongTimeListener]

Do we know Jesus' thoughts on it? The Scripture quote referenced about homosexuality -- at least the one I always see mentioned -- comes from Leviticus, an Old Testament book.

In any case, what someone thought Jesus said, in a book that was first compiled a few hundred years after his death, is maybe not the best to take as, um, gospel truth. If someone published a book right now saying "oh here's what Thomas Jefferson had to say about gun control," would it become the fundamental basis of decisions affecting all of society?

 

[Uncle.Ruckus]

Full-derp on the first page. Well done, folks.

 

[Inky_Wretch]

I'm amused somebody broke one the 10 Commandments while arguing in favor of strict interpretation of the Bible.

I am arguing that churches who claim to be Christian churches should not waffle on their beliefs even if their beliefs offend the sensibilities of the American culture.

The message of Jesus -- you know the one in the "1,000 year old book" -- hasn't changed and shouldn't change just because our culture is changing.

In many ways it is SUPPOSED to be offensive as Christ was considered a radical when he walked this earth and many of the things he said were contrary to the culture of the time.

Again, I am one of the least religious people around, don't go to church.

I just wish churches would stay true to who they are or at least claim to be, it is the last place on earth where political correctness and hurting people's feelings is supposed to matter.

The interpretation of the Bible, theology and Jesus has constantly changed over the centuries. This is nothing new.

Even the inclusive churches can find Biblical support for their stances, such as Corinthians 13:13 and the Golden Rule.

If you go searching hard enough you can find an isolated scripture to justify any lifestyle.

That doesn't make it right.

And fundamentalists and the fundamentals of sin and holiness have not evolved or changed.

Man may have evolved them and changed them, but they haven't changed.

And I hate that this is turning into a theological discussion as I am probably more anti-religion than most.

Conversely ...

"If you go searching hard enough you can find an isolated scripture to justify condemning any lifestyle.

That doesn't make it right."

Jesus reached out to the sinners and the untouchables. He was a big tent kind believer who dispensed more hugs than fire and brimstone.

And the main tenet of Jesus' reaching out always was, "Sin no more." I guarantee you that if Jesus came back to earth and reached out to the gay community but also said, "Sin no more," the majority of the left would reject his message. After all, can't rein in "If it feels good, do it."

That's the goal of the church too. But they don't have the power to shake somebody's hand once and say that as Jesus could. Most of the inclusive churches hope allowing sinners (of all stripes) into the community will impact their lives in a positive way and lead to the end the sin.

 

[heyabbott]

Yahoo blogger Doug Farrar had a great closing line:

"Kudos to Butler for sticking to his own convictions. Maybe that church could get Chris Broussard to speak instead."

What Chris Broussard did/said took far more courage than what Jason Collins said or did.

And it is funny -- it is OK to mock and rip Chris Broussard but not Jason Collins.

If you rip the former it is OK, if you rip the latter you are a bigot.

That's the "tolerance and diversity" crowd in nutshell.

"We love tolerance as long as we don't have to tolerate and try to understand your beliefs....."

When LeBron James announced the birth of his ******* child conceived in sin outside marriage, did Chris Broussard deliver a congratulatory message or tell LeBron: "If you're openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says 'you know them by their fruits,' it says that that's a sin ... And if you're openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality -- adultery, fornication, pre-marital sex between heterosexuals -- whatever it may be, I believe that's walking in open rebellion to God and Jesus Christ, so I would not characterize that person as a Christian."

If he didn't then Broussard is a coward who can call out the last guy on the bench and be a hero to right wing Christians but if he can't call James a sinner then Broussard should shut his high yellow mouth about his religion .

By the way Mr. Broussard is your religion the same one that endorsed slavery?
"slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling" (Ephesians 6:5), or "tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect" (Titus 2:9).

Tolerance and Diversity, like Fair and Balanced, is semantics for idiots. There are not 2 sides worth discussing in every issue. Is there a pro-rape point of view we've over looked? Does the Repeal the 13th Amendment Crowd get equal treatment with the full employment crowd?

Tolerance doesn't embody treating all opinions and cultural practices as valid or worth considering.

 

[YGBFKM]

Burn!

Hold on while I have my wife log in to defend me.

Why would you drag CB into this? Seriously. She never gets involve in any of my online bull****. If you want to go back and forth and **** around with each other, fine. I'm all for that. But are you that much of a worthless little ***** that after a couple posts you have to resort to that? That's a rhetorical question, by the way.

And if a moderator wants to delete this post, just go ahead and ban me.

PMs are for *******, LTL, so here are my final thoughts:

Even if I overlook the fact that you are the type of terrible human being that drags family into an online argument with a stranger and give you some leeway because CB posts here, that brings up a question. What are you hoping to gain to by unnecessarily involving one of the more well-liked posters around here who goes out of their way not to offend people?

On a related note, CB is no longer a part of this board, so it would be the right thing to do moving forward for you to leave her out of this.

You like to say that you're in my head — it's one of the limited thoughts you tend to recycle — but it seems it's the other way around. What other explanation is there for you abandoning the pretense of making a point or even attempting a valid or creative response to me in order to needlessly drag into an argument a person that you have no history with and has never said a mean or malicious thing about ANYONE on this board?

I know nothing about your family, LTL, and even if I did, I would never drag them into one of our silly disagreements. A man has to have some principles, right? You probably don't understand that, but, yes, that is right. And thus the difference between us: I am a man (slightly over 40). You are a *****.

 

[old_tony]

I am not tolerant of the idea that people do not deserve the same basic human and civil rights, regardless of the documentation the oppressors use to consider themselves "right." Guilty as charged.

You're right, I don't care what this church does ultimately as I would never go there. I do applaud LeRoy Butler, though.

They already have all "the same basic human and civil rights" that everyone else has.

Marriage is not a right. If it were, then why couldn't I demand that Jennifer Aniston marry me? Because it also would require her consent. Anything that requires the consent of a second party cannot be, by definition, a right.

 

[qtlaw]

Collins did not criticize nor condemn anyone;

Broussard did.

 

[Uncle.Ruckus]

Even if I overlook the fact that you are the type of terrible human being that drags family into an online argument with a stranger and give you some leeway because CB posts here, that brings up a question. What are you hoping to gain to by unnecessarily involving one of the more well-liked posters around here who goes out of their way not to offend people?

On a related note, CB is no longer a part of this board, so it would be the right thing to do moving forward for you to leave her out of this.

You like to say that you're in my head — it's one of the limited thoughts you tend to recycle — but it seems it's the other way around. What other explanation is there for you abandoning the pretense of making a point or even attempting a valid or creative response to me in order to needlessly drag into an argument a person that you have no history with and has never said a mean or malicious thing about ANYONE on this board?

I know nothing about your family, LTL, and even if I did, I would never drag them into one of our silly disagreements. A man has to have some principles, right? You probably don't understand that, but, yes, that is right. And thus the difference between us: I am a man (slightly over 40). You are a *****.

Welcome to the club.

 

[heyabbott]

Collins did not criticize nor condemn anyone;

Broussard did.

Who is is this little pissant of a wretch to tell anyone they aren't Christian. Broussard says Collins isn't a Christian because he's gay. What kind of raging megalomanic is he?

 

[Captain Obvious]

MissSC's ears are burning right now.