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zagoshe said:
TheSportsPredictor said:
Westboro Baptist Church, we commend you for continuing to hate fags. After all, you believe it.

I have more respect for that outfit than the Joel Osteens of the world for this very reason.

I don't agree with their message, don't like who they are and what they do --- but at least they aren't watering down their message and trying to appease the politically correct among us.

Congrats to Jerry Sandusky for believing in pedastry so much that you were willing to go to jail for it. You are a much more respectable human being than Joel Osteen.
 
Inky_Wretch said:
I'm amused somebody broke one the 10 Commandments while arguing in favor of strict interpretation of the Bible.

I am arguing that churches who claim to be Christian churches should not waffle on their beliefs even if their beliefs offend the sensibilities of the American culture.

The message of Jesus -- you know the one in the "1,000 year old book" -- hasn't changed and shouldn't change just because our culture is changing.

In many ways it is SUPPOSED to be offensive as Christ was considered a radical when he walked this earth and many of the things he said were contrary to the culture of the time.

Again, I am one of the least religious people around, don't go to church.

I just wish churches would stay true to who they are or at least claim to be, it is the last place on earth where political correctness and hurting people's feelings is supposed to matter.
 
LongTimeListener said:
What's there to understand? "I don't like somebody for living a life that has nothing to do with me, and I will try to deny that person the most basic civil rights because I don't like that life."

Jason Collins isn't commenting on Chris Broussard's life. Chris Broussard is commenting on Jason Collins' life. That's tolerance?

"I don't like somebody's belief because it is contrary to mine"

That's tolerance?

You and many others in print and on the air have been commenting on Chris Broussard's life and choices without any fear of being called a bigot.
 
LongTimeListener said:
What's there to understand? "I don't like somebody for living a life that has nothing to do with me, and I will try to deny that person the most basic civil rights because I don't like that life."

Jason Collins isn't commenting on Chris Broussard's life. Chris Broussard is commenting on Jason Collins' life. That's tolerance?

There was always gong to be a wave of commentary when this happened. The problem is that the commentary could not be controlled. Hopefully next time there's a related story, commentary like Broussard's will not be allowed.
 
TheSportsPredictor said:
Congrats to Jerry Sandusky for believing in pedastry so much that you were willing to go to jail for it. You are a much more respectable human being than Joel Osteen.

Saved for posterity as one of the five most idiotic posts in the history of SportsJournalists.com
 
zagoshe said:
TheSportsPredictor said:
Congrats to Jerry Sandusky for believing in pedastry so much that you were willing to go to jail for it. You are a much more respectable human being than Joel Osteen.

Saved for posterity as one of the five most idiotic posts in the history of SportsJournalists.com

No way it's higher than 15,049th.
 
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zagoshe said:
TheSportsPredictor said:
Congrats to Jerry Sandusky for believing in pedastry so much that you were willing to go to jail for it. You are a much more respectable human being than Joel Osteen.

Saved for posterity as one of the five most idiotic posts in the history of SportsJournalists.com

To be fair, I'm not sure that's even in TSP's top 5, much less the whole board's.
 
YGBFKM said:
zagoshe said:
TheSportsPredictor said:
Congrats to Jerry Sandusky for believing in pedastry so much that you were willing to go to jail for it. You are a much more respectable human being than Joel Osteen.

Saved for posterity as one of the five most idiotic posts in the history of SportsJournalists.com

To be fair, I'm not sure that's even in TSP's top 5, much less the whole board's.

Ooops, make that 28,445th.
 
YGBFKM said:
zagoshe said:
TheSportsPredictor said:
Congrats to Jerry Sandusky for believing in pedastry so much that you were willing to go to jail for it. You are a much more respectable human being than Joel Osteen.

Saved for posterity as one of the five most idiotic posts in the history of SportsJournalists.com

To be fair, I'm not sure that's even in TSP's top 5, much less the whole board's.

Excellent point - though calling pedophilia a religious belief is pretty high on the idiocy scale even for him.
 
Plus, TSP, you should really love Sandusky and what he stands for since he is gay and that apparently is now the new litmus test for how great and courageous of a person you are.......

"Hey, this is the new America, you say your gay, you become a hero!!!!"
 
zagoshe said:
YGBFKM said:
zagoshe said:
TheSportsPredictor said:
Congrats to Jerry Sandusky for believing in pedastry so much that you were willing to go to jail for it. You are a much more respectable human being than Joel Osteen.

Saved for posterity as one of the five most idiotic posts in the history of SportsJournalists.com

To be fair, I'm not sure that's even in TSP's top 5, much less the whole board's.

Excellent point - though calling pedophilia a religious belief is pretty high on the idiocy scale even for him.

Based on the number of priests engaged in it, you'd think it is.
 
zagoshe said:
Plus, TSP, you should really love Sandusky and what he stands for since he is gay and that apparently is now the new litmus test for how great and courageous of a person you are.......

"Hey, this is the new America, you say your gay, you become a hero!!!!"

Sandusky never said he was gay. He always identified as straight.
 
zagoshe said:
Inky_Wretch said:
I'm amused somebody broke one the 10 Commandments while arguing in favor of strict interpretation of the Bible.

I am arguing that churches who claim to be Christian churches should not waffle on their beliefs even if their beliefs offend the sensibilities of the American culture.

The message of Jesus -- you know the one in the "1,000 year old book" -- hasn't changed and shouldn't change just because our culture is changing.

In many ways it is SUPPOSED to be offensive as Christ was considered a radical when he walked this earth and many of the things he said were contrary to the culture of the time.

Again, I am one of the least religious people around, don't go to church.

I just wish churches would stay true to who they are or at least claim to be, it is the last place on earth where political correctness and hurting people's feelings is supposed to matter.

The interpretation of the Bible, theology and Jesus has constantly changed over the centuries. This is nothing new.

Even the inclusive churches can find Biblical support for their stances, such as Corinthians 13:13 and the Golden Rule.
 
TheSportsPredictor said:
zagoshe said:
YGBFKM said:
zagoshe said:
TheSportsPredictor said:
Congrats to Jerry Sandusky for believing in pedastry so much that you were willing to go to jail for it. You are a much more respectable human being than Joel Osteen.

Saved for posterity as one of the five most idiotic posts in the history of SportsJournalists.com

To be fair, I'm not sure that's even in TSP's top 5, much less the whole board's.

Excellent point - though calling pedophilia a religious belief is pretty high on the idiocy scale even for him.

Based on the number of priests engaged in it, you'd think it is.

I'm sure everyone will defend you and praise you for ripping Catholics.

Rip Catholics and Christians for their lifestyle -- you are a hero
Rip Gays for their lifestyle - you are a bigot

Once again, Tolerance 101 from the tolerance and diversity crowd -- "We are tolerant of any belief and lifestyle as long as we agree with it....."
 
We should all take a moment to send an apology to Todd Akin. He obviously believed a woman can't get pregnant when she is raped, and he had the courage to stand by those beliefs. Why should he be criticized for that?

Or how about Al Campanis. What was he supposed to do, say blacks DO have the necessities to be in front offices if that isn't what in his heart?
 
Inky_Wretch said:
zagoshe said:
Inky_Wretch said:
I'm amused somebody broke one the 10 Commandments while arguing in favor of strict interpretation of the Bible.

I am arguing that churches who claim to be Christian churches should not waffle on their beliefs even if their beliefs offend the sensibilities of the American culture.

The message of Jesus -- you know the one in the "1,000 year old book" -- hasn't changed and shouldn't change just because our culture is changing.

In many ways it is SUPPOSED to be offensive as Christ was considered a radical when he walked this earth and many of the things he said were contrary to the culture of the time.

Again, I am one of the least religious people around, don't go to church.

I just wish churches would stay true to who they are or at least claim to be, it is the last place on earth where political correctness and hurting people's feelings is supposed to matter.

The interpretation of the Bible, theology and Jesus has constantly changed over the centuries. This is nothing new.

Even the inclusive churches can find Biblical support for their stances, such as Corinthians 13:13 and the Golden Rule.

If you go searching hard enough you can find an isolated scripture to justify any lifestyle.

That doesn't make it right.

And fundamentalists and the fundamentals of sin and holiness have not evolved or changed.

Man may have evolved them and changed them, but they haven't changed.

And I hate that this is turning into a theological discussion as I am probably more anti-religion than most.
 
LongTimeListener said:
We should all take a moment to send an apology to Todd Akin. He obviously believed a woman can't get pregnant when she is raped, and he had the courage to stand by those beliefs. Why should he be criticized for that?

Or how about Al Campanis. What was he supposed to do, say blacks DO have the necessities to be in front offices if that isn't what in his heart?

Yes, because believing a woman can't get pregnant when raped and racism are the same things as a church that believes a certain lifestyle is sinful and has scripture to back it up.

Good job.

The fact that you and others have had to go so way far out there to find extreme examples in order to try and make a case for why it is OK to be bigots towards Christians speaks volumes about how ridiculous your stance really is.
 
zagoshe said:
Inky_Wretch said:
zagoshe said:
Inky_Wretch said:
I'm amused somebody broke one the 10 Commandments while arguing in favor of strict interpretation of the Bible.

I am arguing that churches who claim to be Christian churches should not waffle on their beliefs even if their beliefs offend the sensibilities of the American culture.

The message of Jesus -- you know the one in the "1,000 year old book" -- hasn't changed and shouldn't change just because our culture is changing.

In many ways it is SUPPOSED to be offensive as Christ was considered a radical when he walked this earth and many of the things he said were contrary to the culture of the time.

Again, I am one of the least religious people around, don't go to church.

I just wish churches would stay true to who they are or at least claim to be, it is the last place on earth where political correctness and hurting people's feelings is supposed to matter.

The interpretation of the Bible, theology and Jesus has constantly changed over the centuries. This is nothing new.

Even the inclusive churches can find Biblical support for their stances, such as Corinthians 13:13 and the Golden Rule.

If you go searching hard enough you can find an isolated scripture to justify any lifestyle.

That doesn't make it right.

And fundamentalists and the fundamentals of sin and holiness have not evolved or changed.

Man may have evolved them and changed them, but they haven't changed.

And I hate that this is turning into a theological discussion as I am probably more anti-religion than most.

Conversely ...

"If you go searching hard enough you can find an isolated scripture to justify condemning any lifestyle.

That doesn't make it right."

Jesus reached out to the sinners and the untouchables. He was a big tent kind believer who dispensed more hugs than fire and brimstone.
 
We should all take a moment to send an apology to Todd Akin. He obviously believed a woman can't get pregnant when she is raped, and he had the courage to stand by those beliefs. Why should he be criticized for that?

Well, what Akin said is factually wrong and can be demonstratively proven as such.

Biblical interpretation and what is or isn't a sin and how grievous the sin may be . . . not quite as easy.
 
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