LeRoy Butler doesn't back down

[hondo]

Butler tweets support of Jason Collins, is told by a church where he's going to speak that his appearance will be cancelled unless he deletes the tweet and apologizes. Butler tells church to pretty much flake off.

http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/05/01/leroy-butler-tweeted-support-of-jason-collins-and-as-a-result-a-wisconsin-church-canceled-his-upcoming-speaking-appearance/

 

[LongTimeListener]

Journal Sentinel picks up story, Butler won't name church but does detail their conversation:

"This is a form of bullying, what you're doing. You're trying to get me to do something I don't want to do," Butler said. "He disagreed, and I said, 'We agree to disagree' and he said 'No, I'm right and you're wrong.' "

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/church-cancels-leroy-butlers-speech-after-he-backs-gay-nba-player-rq9pjrt-205580231.html

Sounds like a very church-like response.

 

[Bob Cook]

The church has every right, if indeed that's in the contract, to go pound sand.

The church should have the expectation, once its name is announced, to receive an email-box stuffed with congratulations and/or responses telling it to go pound sand.

Stuff like this is why my church is going through a process of making an open declaration (under a United Church of Christ) program that we would accept gay members, pastors and youth leaders. Because otherwise, people lump us into stuff like this church in Wisconsin. As we've learned from, oh, Islam, people who don't understand or are hostile to a religion are very quick to accept the worst of it as its standard-bearer.

 

[zagoshe]

Anyone who criticizes this church for sticking to its guns - while praising Butler - is an idiot and a fraud and a hypocrite.

The church has a belief.

You don't have to like it.

You don't have to agree with it.

You don't have to read the "1,000 year old book" it came from.

But that is what the church beliefs.

As such, why in the world would they allow Butler, someone who obviously does not believe the same thing, come to speak there?

That's the beauty of living in America - the church and state are separate and everybody is entitled to believe what they want to believe.

This church stuck by its principles and should be lauded for it, same as Butler.

But of course, it won't go down that way - church is bigots and intolerant, Butler is a hero.....

 

[Boom_70]

What's the church doing paying Leroy Butler $8500 to speak? What's Leroy Butler doing charging the church $8500 to speak?

If were a church member I would not be pleased with that use of my tithing.

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

Congratulations on remaining in the Stone Age, church. I laud you for it.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Anyone who criticizes this church for sticking to its guns - while praising Butler - is an idiot and a fraud and a hypocrite.

The church has a belief.

You don't have to like it.

You don't have to agree with it.

You don't have to read the "1,000 year old book" it came from.

But that is what the church beliefs.

As such, why in the world would they allow Butler, someone who obviously does not believe the same thing, come to speak there?

That's the beauty of living in America - the church and state are separate and everybody is entitled to believe what they want to believe.

This church stuck by its principles and should be lauded for it, same as Butler.

But of course, it won't go down that way - church is bigots and intolerant, Butler is a hero.....

The church's principles are idiocy.

Same as when a school suspends a kid for popping an aspirin tablet -- do we praise the school for "sticking by its principles" because Rules Are Rules, or do we note what idiots the administrators are?

Is that the Official Zag Position? Anyone who sticks by a previous belief should always be lauded?

 

[Boom_70]

Congratulations on remaining in the Stone Age, church. I laud you for it.

We are now in the "age of gaiety" . The church must not have gotten the memo.

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

Women are whores who should remain in the kitchen or laundry room except when lying on their backs in bed with legs in the air. Laud me for my beliefs!

 

[LongTimeListener]

Yahoo blogger Doug Farrar had a great closing line:

"Kudos to Butler for sticking to his own convictions. Maybe that church could get Chris Broussard to speak instead."

 

[Boom_70]

Women are whores who should remain in the kitchen or laundry room except when lying on their backs in bed with legs in the air. Laud me for my beliefs!

That's a letter from Paul to the Colossians, right?

 

[Inky_Wretch]

What's the church doing paying Leroy Butler $8500 to speak? What's Leroy Butler doing charging the church $8500 to speak?

If were a church member I would not be pleased with that use of my tithing.

I was wondering that too. What was the topic of his talk going to be?

 

[zagoshe]

Anyone who criticizes this church for sticking to its guns - while praising Butler - is an idiot and a fraud and a hypocrite.

The church has a belief.

You don't have to like it.

You don't have to agree with it.

You don't have to read the "1,000 year old book" it came from.

But that is what the church beliefs.

As such, why in the world would they allow Butler, someone who obviously does not believe the same thing, come to speak there?

That's the beauty of living in America - the church and state are separate and everybody is entitled to believe what they want to believe.

This church stuck by its principles and should be lauded for it, same as Butler.

But of course, it won't go down that way - church is bigots and intolerant, Butler is a hero.....

The church's principles are idiocy.

Same as when a school suspends a kid for popping an aspirin tablet -- do we praise the school for "sticking by its principles" because Rules Are Rules, or do we note what idiots the administrators are?

Is that the Official Zag Position? Anyone who sticks by a previous belief should always be lauded?

Apples, meet Oranges.

I have far more respect for a CHURCH (not a school, not a public entity, not a corporation - A PLACE OF WORSHIP AND FAITH) that sticks by what it believes than these newfangled Americanized churches - like the nonsense Joel Osteen runs -- who want to make sure they never offend anyone and thus tailor their beliefs to whatever seems to be the flavor of the day.

Hey -- people **** around on their wives, who cares what the bible says about adultery, come to our church, that's ancient book....

Hey -- wannna **** men in the butt, don't worry, those passages about homosexuality being a sin are ancient history, come to our church and we will let you bang away.....

Hey --- wanna get pregnant and kill your baby? We recognize that this is now America, why not do it - hell we will do it on stage for you....

Hey -- taking communion, that's ancient history stuck in another time, **** it we don't need to do that anyway....

Give me a God Damn break.

Once again, here is another example of the fact the least tolerant people on the planet are the people who walk around championing "tolerance an diversity"

If a church is fundamentalist and teaches the bible is God's word and not to be ignored - why they hell would it then decide to make all these exceptions for some Americanized value system so as to not offend people?

Makes no sense.

Again, you don't like what this church believes, don't go to it.

But at least respect the fact that it isn't changing what it believes just to try and increase the membership and by extension the amount of money in the offering plate.

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

Westboro Baptist Church, we commend you for continuing to hate fags. After all, you believe it.

 

[zagoshe]

Yahoo blogger Doug Farrar had a great closing line:

"Kudos to Butler for sticking to his own convictions. Maybe that church could get Chris Broussard to speak instead."

What Chris Broussard did/said took far more courage than what Jason Collins said or did.

And it is funny -- it is OK to mock and rip Chris Broussard but not Jason Collins.

If you rip the former it is OK, if you rip the latter you are a bigot.

That's the "tolerance and diversity" crowd in nutshell.

"We love tolerance as long as we don't have to tolerate and try to understand your beliefs....."

 

[Boom_70]

Yahoo blogger Doug Farrar had a great closing line:

"Kudos to Butler for sticking to his own convictions. Maybe that church could get Chris Broussard to speak instead."

What Chris Broussard did/said took far more courage than what Jason Collins said or did.

And it is funny -- it is OK to mock and rip Chris Broussard but not Jason Collins.

If you rip the former it is OK, if you rip the latter you are a bigot.

That's the "tolerance and diversity" crowd in nutshell.

"We love tolerance as long as we don't have to tolerate and try to understand your beliefs....."

It's ok to rip Tebow also for his beliefs.

 

[zagoshe]

Westboro Baptist Church, we commend you for continuing to hate fags. After all, you believe it.

I have more respect for that outfit than the Joel Osteens of the world for this very reason.

I don't agree with their message, don't like who they are and what they do --- but at least they aren't watering down their message and trying to appease the politically correct among us.

 

[Inky_Wretch]

I'm amused somebody broke one the 10 Commandments while arguing in favor of strict interpretation of the Bible.

 

[YGBFKM]

Yahoo blogger Doug Farrar had a great closing line:

"Kudos to Butler for sticking to his own convictions. Maybe that church could get Chris Broussard to speak instead."

What Chris Broussard did/said took far more courage than what Jason Collins said or did.

And it is funny -- it is OK to mock and rip Chris Broussard but not Jason Collins.

If you rip the former it is OK, if you rip the latter you are a bigot.

That's the "tolerance and diversity" crowd in nutshell.

"We love tolerance as long as we don't have to tolerate and try to understand your beliefs....."

I don't know about the first one, but the rest is exactly right.

 

[LongTimeListener]

What's there to understand? "I don't like somebody for living a life that has nothing to do with me, and I will try to deny that person the most basic civil rights because I don't like that life."

Jason Collins isn't commenting on Chris Broussard's life. Chris Broussard is commenting on Jason Collins' life. That's tolerance?