Ines returns to Jets practice

[imjustagirl]

Vieira was working for The View then (I think). She showed up during batting practice for one of the games at Shea with a cameraman.

It was one of those "funny" kind of things. I watched her "interview" Mike Piazza, asking things like, "Who has the biggest wood on the Mets." I didn't really know Lisa then, but I knew who she was. She went right at Vieira, asked what she was doing and said that stuff really hurt female reporters.

Vieira told her to "lighten up." The conversation continued, but I had to step away to do a live hit. It continued for a few minutes. It was a real eye-opener, that's for sure.

It was the 2000 World Series, Yanks v. Mets.
I only spoke to Meredith because Benny Agbayani and Jay Payton of the Mets asked me to. They were upset with her for asking them which player had the biggest bat -- you know, typical grade school innuendo. I thought I was polite to Meredith, and just tried to explain that she more than most should understand how difficult those kind of questions made it for those of us who had worked hard to overcome such silly stereotypes.
I never wrote about it, but others like Sally Jenkins did. And while I used to believe that anything another woman in this biz does reflects on all of us, I long ago softened that position. I just can't be bothered to stress over someone's tight dress.

If I can ask, why did you soften your position? The (blank)-reflects-on-all-of-us principle still seems to be alive, such as at those media days a couple months ago when that dope asked for the Iowa (?) coach's autograph for his girlfriend or the guy who cheered in the press box at the Daytona 500. The moron quotient seems to be getting larger all the time.

Then again, I can see why getting worked up over this can get exhausting.

I'm not trying to answer for ginger, but there's a different in an entire profession being lessened by the acts of an idiot, and one segment of that profession being judged by someone who's not even really in the profession. It's easier to fight for the whole of sports journalism than it is to fight against every stupid girl who shows up to ask about Shawn Green's junk or Benny Agbayani's bat.

 

[Point of Order]

Is she aware Bret Favre isn't there anymore?

 

[hondo]

Wonder how Sarah Palin was dressed when she met Glen Rice at that Great Alaska Shootout?

 

[Scott Carefoot]

She's not wearing a bikini. Do some people expect her to wear a burka?

This isn't a particularly provocative outfit. I can't speak to her qualifications as a journalist but that's not really the point here, is it? This is the norm for Spanish-language female "presenters". And before any of you shakes your finger at this, remind me of the last time a woman who was as gender-relatively attractive as Tony Kornheiser had a major on-camera job in sports television. There are double standards out the wazoo in this business.

 

[Johnny Chase]

Wonder how Sarah Palin was dressed when she met Glen Rice at that Great Alaska Shootout?

We have a winner!

 

[21]

the women i've mentioned and hundreds of others don't dress like 'pat' and manage to be viewed as very attractive. and if you don't think the vast majority of female journos cringe at ines' act, i'd say you've become a tad out of touch with most of the tenets they try to work by.

Really? I'm out of touch? Thank you. The next time you're getting dressed for work and wondering if your dress maybe looks too short with those heels, or what might show through your blouse if it suddenly gets cold or rainy, or if that bra gives you too much cleavage, let me know. Otherwise, I promise you, I am extremely in touch.

My original post was directed at the photo Hondo posted to start this thread, which was nothing more than a 'hubba hubba, hot tamale in dress and heels' Deadspin moment. I can find you a dozen male colleagues any day whose personal appearances and hygiene are infinitely more denigrating to the profession.

This topic is so tiresome. As ijag said perfectly above, the random goofball doesn't represent the rest of us, she doesn't make my job harder, doesn't challenge me to dress like I'm going to a nightclub. If she regularly looks and acts like an idiot she'll be treated that way. The rest of us have work to do.

 

[Cubbiebum]

She's not wearing a bikini. Do some people expect her to wear a burka?

This isn't a particularly provocative outfit. I can't speak to her qualifications as a journalist but that's not really the point here, is it? This is the norm for Spanish-language female "presenters". And before any of you shakes your finger at this, remind me of the last time a woman who was as gender-relatively attractive as Tony Kornheiser had a major on-camera job in sports television. There are double standards out the wazoo in this business.

I agree with the point though. There is a reason Erin Andrews is on the sidelines of every big game on ESPN and it's not because she is a great journalist. Not saying she's a bad journalist. Just that her journalistic ability has nothing to do with it.

 

[shockey]

Really? I'm out of touch? Thank you. The next time you're getting dressed for work and wondering if your dress maybe looks too short with those heels, or what might show through your blouse if it suddenly gets cold or rainy, or if that bra gives you too much cleavage, let me know. Otherwise, I promise you, I am extremely in touch.

the 'out of touch' comment was regarding my sense you were speaking on behalf of female sports journos in general, not just from your own perspective. and while your take is obviously a valid one shared by some, i know that there are many other female journos -- particularly younger ones seeking to establish themselves as respected professionals -- cringe when something like this comes up. it's much easier for the more experienced and established women to shrug it off than it is for those who worry that their agenda is under scrutiny.

but back to the issue of this being a 'cultural' deal -- and this is a serious question -- where does everyone fall on mexico's tv news 'culture' when those talking heads are presenting themselves on foreign soil with different outlooks?

 

[Ace]

If 21 and gingerbread are over it, I'm over it.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Wonder how Sarah Palin was dressed when she met Glen Rice at that Great Alaska Shootout?

Alaska in November? Probably like an eskimo.

Just more clothing for Glen to remove...

 

[Tarheel316]

Ines' outfit looks appropriate for Mango's at South Beach, not for covering an NFL team.

 

[Ace]

Ines' outfit looks appropriate for Mango's at South Beach, not for covering an NFL team.

What's worse? That outfit or a guy showing up with pleated khakis?

 

[Lugnuts]

Not speaking specifically about Ines... But I bemoan the overall decline in professional attire for female broadcasters. It's something that's been chipped away over the past 15 years. And it's only half the fault of the women. They're only wearing what male TV execs think will sell. But if you look at the research, viewers do not tune in to see a sideline cutie wear a tight top-- they tune in for the game. Same for news. Viewers tune in for breaking news and weather. Not to watch Liz Cho in a sleeveless 'gone clubbin' dress. The numbers just don't support 'sex sells,' but execs do it anyway because they're desperate and figure... "can't hurt!"

If you look at male broadcasters, they've been wearing the same thing since TV was invented: Coat and tie. For women, it's just less and less and less.

Every woman wants to look sexy. But female surgeons don't wear bikini tops into the O.R. They wear what's appropriate for the job: Scrubs. So here's the part I don't get.... Why would a female broadcaster bust her ass writing her words and perfecting her delivery... only to have viewers not hear a word she says?

If I were a consultant in an ideal world, I'd have the women wearing a more feminized version of THE SAME THING the men wear: Suits. Dark suits. Not boxy-- cut to fit the figure and tailored impeccably-- but yes, suits. Every single damn day.

 

[Armchair_QB]

One could make the case that the decline in professional attire isn't unique to female broadcasters or journalism in general. I say that realizing male news anchors usually wear a coat & tie.

But field reporters usually look like they grabbed whatever shirt was on the top of the pile in the morning.

Press box attire has really changed for the worse in the last 20 years too.

NOW GET OFF MY LAWN

 

[SFIND]

At first, I had anger for Ines myself. Typical of her trying to get attention for herself and hampering the job of other reporters.

But then, when I stopped to think about it, is her trying to get attention any worse than half of the other TV idiots I've seen in person trying to get attention for themselves and hampering the job of other reporters? Their are plenty of loudmouth radio and TV reporters that do more harm for print journalists and other radio and TV reporters than her.

 

[Lugnuts]

One could make the case that the decline in professional attire isn't unique to female broadcasters or journalism in general

I make the exact opposite case. Men aren't wearing tank tops on the air. Last I saw Mark Schwartz was wearing a tie. So was Randy Cross. If it's hot, you might see a golf shirt, but that doesn't exactly ooze sex, does it?

Print people are their own beast. I'm talking broadcast.

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

Tony Kornheiser has capped teeth. That ain't going to make him handsome.

 

[Armchair_QB]

One could make the case that the decline in professional attire isn't unique to female broadcasters or journalism in general

I make the exact opposite case. Men aren't wearing tank tops on the air. Last I saw Mark Schwartz was wearing a tie. So was Randy Cross. If it's hot, you might see a golf shirt, but that doesn't exactly ooze sex, does it?

Print people are their own beast. I'm talking broadcast.

I see what you mean. Guess I was looking at it from a different perspective.

 

[Ace]

One could make the case that the decline in professional attire isn't unique to female broadcasters or journalism in general

I make the exact opposite case. Men aren't wearing tank tops on the air. Last I saw Mark Schwartz was wearing a tie. So was Randy Cross. If it's hot, you might see a golf shirt, but that doesn't exactly ooze sex, does it?

Print people are their own beast. I'm talking broadcast.

Who you calling a beast, Luggy?

 

[Mediator]

Last year, if you were a woman covering the Jets, that whole firestorm made your job harder. Not only did you have to deal with an altered dynamic between players and press, but outside fans were again railing against women for wanting to cover sports.