GOP Debate, sj.com Condensed Version

[Ben_Hecht]

Oh, the US has acted with far greater conviction . . . when the country had leaders who were worth a quarter.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

But Boom, as you know from the book, what OBL really wanted was the US bogged down in an unwinnable war in an Islamic country, the way the Soviets were in Afghanistan.

 

[BTExpress]

He told Al Qaeda recruits that "while America appeard almighty they are actually weak and cowardly.As example he sighted Viet Nam and Lebanon. When soldiers start to come home in body bags, Americans panic and retreat."

Well, he's half right.

When we are engaged in controversial conflicts of choice 8,000 miles away with little progress to show for our efforts after several years while soldiers come home in body bags . . . Americans do retreat.

Come to our shores, however . . . and I think he might find out different.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

"Well, there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade."

-- Rick Blaine

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Hey, Ben, what's your nationality?

 

[Ben_Hecht]

A goulash of Western European.

 

[Boom_70]

But Boom, as you know from the book, what OBL really wanted was the US bogged down in an unwinnable war in an Islamic country, the way the Soviets were in Afghanistan.

That was part of it, but the end game for both Bin Laden and Zawahiri was to impose the modern Islamic movement founded by Qutb to all Muslim countries of the Middle East.

Bin Laden isssued at Fatwa against the United States In 1996 that was pretty clear. The stated cause was the continued presence of US in Saudi Arabia 5 years after Gulf War. He wrote "terrorizing you while you are carrying arms in our land. is a legitimate right and moral obligation."

The FBI had opened a case file to investigate Bin Laden. An agent by name of Dan Coleman was assigned to case. Coleman and a US Attorney by name of Patrick Fitzgerald met with a Sudanese informant who told of Bin Laden's fatwa and an organization called Al Qaeda.

Had to believe that Rudy would not be more aware of this.

 

[DanOregon]

Rudy was so AWARE of things guess where he put NY's Emergency Response Command Center? anyone, anyone?


The World Trade Center.
Personally, I like Rudy. But he makes a lot of bad decisions.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

The name Bernie Kerik occurs to me suddenly.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Bernie's a useful thug . . . a Rudy staple.

 

[zeke12]

The name Bernie Kerik occurs to me suddenly.

Often?

 

[PopeDirkBenedict]

I really didn't get Romney's "so blue, it's black" comment about Mass. It sounded bad to me. (And it sounded awfully silent in the room.)

McCain should tell his jokes once, twice tops. But he still proved he has some fight in him, quite effectively hacking out Romney's knees.

I liked Huckabee's dig at Edwards, because that guy is a total foof creep.

Giuliani doesn't stand a chance.

You're wrong about Edwards.
The son. The wife. The guy shows more steel just getting out of bed in the morning than a smug, greasy little Rotarian twerp like "Mike" Huckabee has exhibited in his entire public career,

That's just it, FB. I don't get how someone who has been through so much comes off as such a shallow prig.

Coming off a botched story on him, so that might be affecting my judgment. But from what I saw, Elizabeth is the genuine article. He's a foof, and he's definitely surrounded himself by foof people.

Can't agree, Jonesy, for the reasons I stated, and for others on which you can PM me, if you're interested. You don't get to be a shark lawyer, and beat a complete fraud like Lauch Faircloth, and live the life he's lived by being a foof. You want a foof? Look at the Mittster.

Right, because you don't get an MBA and JD from Hahvahd, co-found a highly successful equity investment firm, save the Salt Lake City Games from near ruin and get elected governor of Massachusetts by being a foof.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

I really didn't get Romney's "so blue, it's black" comment about Mass. It sounded bad to me. (And it sounded awfully silent in the room.)

McCain should tell his jokes once, twice tops. But he still proved he has some fight in him, quite effectively hacking out Romney's knees.

I liked Huckabee's dig at Edwards, because that guy is a total foof creep.

Giuliani doesn't stand a chance.

You're wrong about Edwards.
The son. The wife. The guy shows more steel just getting out of bed in the morning than a smug, greasy little Rotarian twerp like "Mike" Huckabee has exhibited in his entire public career,

That's just it, FB. I don't get how someone who has been through so much comes off as such a shallow prig.

Coming off a botched story on him, so that might be affecting my judgment. But from what I saw, Elizabeth is the genuine article. He's a foof, and he's definitely surrounded himself by foof people.

Can't agree, Jonesy, for the reasons I stated, and for others on which you can PM me, if you're interested. You don't get to be a shark lawyer, and beat a complete fraud like Lauch Faircloth, and live the life he's lived by being a foof. You want a foof? Look at the Mittster.

Right, because you don't get an MBA and JD from Hahvahd, co-found a highly successful equity investment firm, save the Salt Lake City Games from near ruin and get elected governor of Massachusetts by being a foof.

I can assure Your Holiness a) that foofhood is no barrier to being elected governor of the Commonwealth, and b) that this always has been a completely bipartisan phenomenon (please see "Dukakis, Michael," and "Cellucci, Paul.")
Also, Mitt is a foof because he accomplished everything you said -- including the wildly overrated "saving the Olympics" part -- with a single, largely authentic public personality, which he has completely abandoned in order to truckle to an extremist political base, many of whom think he's half-pagan.
He's a post-gubernatorial foof.

 

[Point of Order]

Jones,
Can you elaborate on Edwards' foofage? I'm interested.