Avengers: Infinity War (spoilers ahead)

[TyWebb]

Thought it might be best to start a new thread so we can keep the all-purpose geek thread spoiler free. There's a lot to discuss here.

So obviously, spoilers incoming ...










... so what the **** just happened?

 

[Batman]

Thanos channeled Walter White:

 

[TyWebb]

Thanos channeled Walter White:

I know there is going to be some mechanism (probably the Time stone) to undo those last five minutes, but my god was it difficult to watch all those people literally just vanish. And Spider-Man ... geez ... I'm not crying you're crying.

 

[Batman]

Yeah, that made my section of the theater dusty, too. Tom Holland played that so damn well. It was a gut punch.
The Falcon/War Machine bit, too. It was literally a three-second scene, but sad and kind of terrifying the way it was portrayed.
Is it too soon in the thread to compile a list of the dead and not dead?

 

[TyWebb]

Yeah, that made my section of the theater dusty, too. Tom Holland played that so damn well. It was a gut punch.
The Falcon/War Machine bit, too. It was literally a three-second scene, but sad and kind of terrifying the way it was portrayed.
Is it too soon in the thread to compile a list of the dead and not dead?

I was doing that in my head earlier. Here's the body count I have:

Pre-snap:
Loki
Idris Elba's character (whose name I forget)
Gamora
Vision

Post-snap:
Bucky
Black Panther
Scarlet Witch
Falcon
War Machine
Doctor Strange
Spider-Man
Starlord
Drax
Mantis
Groot
Nick Fury
Agent Hill

 

[TyWebb]

I thought the way they finally fully introduced Thanos was perfect. In the first five minutes of the movie, he beats the **** out of the the Hulk, stabs Idris Elba and chokes out Loki. All in a room full of already dead bodies. Dude was not ****ing around.

 

[Batman]

Seeing it listed now, it's curious that a lot of the post-snap dead are the newer characters. The original Avengers are still intact. I wonder if that'll play into Avengers 4, how they reset this thing.
I think there's a plan in play by Doctor Strange. He said there was one outcome out of 14 million where they won. I think it involves letting Thanos get the Time Stone and snap his fingers, so that at least a few of them could survive and take him down in the end. There was no outcome where they win the first time around. That's my theory for Avengers 4.

 

[TyWebb]

Seeing it listed now, it's curious that a lot of the post-snap dead are the newer characters. The original Avengers are still intact. I wonder if that'll play into Avengers 4, how they reset this thing.
I think there's a plan in play by Doctor Strange. He said there was one outcome out of 14 million where they won. I think it involves letting Thanos get the Time Stone and snap his fingers, so that at least a few of them could survive and take him down in the end. There was no outcome where they win the first time around. That's my theory for Avengers 4.

Yeah, that was my theory as well. Half of the population had to be sacrificed now so the other half go save them later.

I saw an interesting comment/prediction on Reddit that the people who vanished from the snap are the ones who will be left standing at the end of Avengers 4. Those who are left are the ones who may not make it through the next one alive.

But those pre-snap deaths - those are done, right?

 

[TyWebb]

Also, bless you Batman for being as big a nerd as me and seeing it opening night. This is the only place I can let out the feels.

 

[Batman]

Also, bless you Batman for being as big a nerd as me and seeing it opening night. This is the only place I can let out the feels.

I have to work all weekend, and wasn't sure I could avoid spoilers until next week, so it was then or never. Went to see an 11 p.m. show with a co-worker and didn't get to bed until almost 4 a.m.

 

[Michael_ Gee]

Post-credit trailer is lead-in to Capt. Marvel, so she will figure into this in some way. No way Marvel doesn't bring Spider-Man and Black Panther back to life, not with the latter's grosses and Spidey's box office record. In fact, I'd bet most if not all of them come back to some future fate. Comic books are like that.

 

[Batman]

Yeah, that was my theory as well. Half of the population had to be sacrificed now so the other half go save them later.

I saw an interesting comment/prediction on Reddit that the people who vanished from the snap are the ones who will be left standing at the end of Avengers 4. Those who are left are the ones who may not make it through the next one alive.

But those pre-snap deaths - those are done, right?

I dunno. Other than Heimdall, who there's no real reason to bring back, they could pull some shenanigans.
Like Thor said, Loki's been dead before. Gamora might have a comeback because of her personal connection to Thanos, and the fact we see her at the end in Thanos' vision. Suri could have gotten enough work done to allow Vision to survive without the Mind Stone, even if Thanos also appeared to grab half his brain with it.

 

[TyWebb]

Post-credit trailer is lead-in to Capt. Marvel, so she will figure into this in some way. No way Marvel doesn't bring Spider-Man and Black Panther back to life, not with the latter's grosses and Spidey's box office record. In fact, I'd bet most if not all of them come back to some future fate. Comic books are like that.

Yeah, knowing they are already talking about sequels to those two is a hint to where this is probably headed. I kinda wish I hadn't known that.

But damn would I love it if that was all a smokescreen and Marvel said "just kidding, they're all really dead."

 

[TyWebb]

Sidenote: I kinda hate it when movies or TV shows do that, do everything to convince you a character is dead just to reverse it through some loophole, cheapening that emotional moment. Walking Dead did it enough to drive me away from the show.

 

[Batman]

Post-credit trailer is lead-in to Capt. Marvel, so she will figure into this in some way. No way Marvel doesn't bring Spider-Man and Black Panther back to life, not with the latter's grosses and Spidey's box office record. In fact, I'd bet most if not all of them come back to some future fate. Comic books are like that.

I don't doubt it, but that's also why it was so surprising when they did die. I think everyone was expecting the old guard of Cap and Iron Man to bite it -- Iron Man, especially, got what would have been a great send-off -- and then they kind of zagged after everyone was expecting the zig. Black Panther and Spider-Man biting it shocked the hell out of me.

 

[Michael_ Gee]

Yeah, knowing they are already talking about sequels to those two is a hint to where this is probably headed. I kinda wish I hadn't known that.

But damn would I love it if that was all a smokescreen and Marvel said "just kidding, they're all really dead."

The next movie would be the Disney CEO snapping his fingers and all the Marvel executives dying.

 

[RickStain]

That was more or less exactly how I expected them to end the first of this two-parter.

I’m surprised anyone thinks they’re really dead. The next one will be about reuniting the gauntlet to bring them all back.

 

[RickStain]

I was worried when they first teased Thanos way back in the first movies. He comes from a goofier age in comics. The source material for Infinity Wars has him giving up the gauntlet to some wascally wabbit chicanery and getting his mind wiped to go become a farmer instead of a villain.

But damn did they ever do an amazing job with him. Let no one ever say again that the MCU can’t do great villains. That was the best I’ve seen since Ledger’s Joker.

 

[Michael_ Gee]

This was the wonderful Alexandra Petri of the Post's take on Twitter: "If you love a movie where someone is willing to work hard and make sacrifices and not let setbacks and the naysayers get them down and eventually prevails and it seems so earned, then Infinity Wars is for you."

Of course, her pinned tweet is "From the point of view of Jabba the Hutt, Star Wars is about a guy who wouldn't pay money he owed him and then had a bunch of his friends murder him."

 

[Batman]

One thing I didn't notice until reading stuff online today, and one thing I did notice but it hasn't been mentioned yet:
1) Apparently, Valkyrie died on the Asgardian ship? Some people are saying her body was visible next to Heimdall. I didn't notice it, but I suppose that's one of many plot threads from Ragnarok that came to an abrupt end thanks to Thanos.
2) It was nice to finally find out what happened to Red Skull. It was also a really good subtle replacement job by Ross Marquand (Aaron from The Walking Dead). I thought it was Hugo Weaving until I read otherwise.