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Boom_70 said:
Got anything on Afghanistan since this is what thread is about?

No, because pretty much nobody from that side of the aisle had ever called for withdrawal from Afghanistan until recently.
 
Sleeper said:
Boom_70 said:
Got anything on Afghanistan since this is what thread is about?

No, because pretty much nobody from that side of the aisle had ever called for withdrawal from Afghanistan until recently.

We' ve accomplished everything we are going to in Afghanistan. Now we are at point of diminishing returns.

Time to pull the plug.
 
Apple, 2003, http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Apple_(AAPL)/Data/Revenue/2003

Orange, 2011 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/03/idUS49380+03-May-2011+HUG20110503
 
Azrael said:
Apple, 2003, http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Apple_(AAPL)/Data/Revenue/2003

Orange, 2011 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/03/idUS49380+03-May-2011+HUG20110503

And your point is ?
 
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The British couldn't civilize Afghanistan. And they civilized nearly everything else. Afghanistan is a melting pot of ethnicities, tribal feuds and ass-backwards people who have been killing themselves when there is no occupying foreign force. Screw 'em. Let 'em kill each other. If we find Al Quaida bases there, hit them with drones. No reason to spend another dime on that stupid place.

South Korea can take care of itself. I can see a reason for us to have bases in Japan, but Europe? Where's the threat to our interests? There isn't one. Russia? Don't make me laugh. NATO has absolutely no reason to exist. Withdraw our peacekeeping troops from Kosovo and the Sinai while we're at it.

The Libyan war is useless. If we used the rationale for that elsewhere, we'd be dropping bombs on Iran, Syria, Yemen, on and on and on. Bring our forces, with the exception of the Japanese-based forces home, to CONUS. Let Europe defend itself.
 
Bamadog said:
South Korea can take care of itself. I can see a reason for us to have bases in Japan, but Europe?

When people say, "bring the troops home," I'm not sure they realize.

Bases in Europe, the Indian Ocean, the Middle East and in Asia are necessary if we want to be able to project power globally.

Our navy needs ports. Our air force needs bases and in-flight refuelling. Our army needs pre-stagged equipment (Because moving an M1A1 is difficult!).

So I'm not judging whether or not we need bases in Europe or Japan or Korea .... but if we give those up, we give up our ability to respond to situations across the globe.
 
Justin_Rice said:
Bamadog said:
South Korea can take care of itself. I can see a reason for us to have bases in Japan, but Europe?

When people say, "bring the troops home," I'm not sure they realize.

Bases in Europe, the Indian Ocean, the Middle East and in Asia are necessary if we want to be able to project power globally.

Our navy needs ports. Our air force needs bases and in-flight refuelling. Our army needs pre-stagged equipment (Because moving an M1A1 is difficult!).

So I'm not judging whether or not we need bases in Europe or Japan or Korea .... but if we give those up, we give up our ability to respond to situations across the globe.

That's precisely the point. Why the hell do WE need to respond to everything last thing that happens around the globe? We can't afford it anymore.
 
How do you handle the massive spike in unemployment when people who work in defense-related jobs are downsized due to cutbacks in our military force?

We can't afford that either.
 
That's the trouble. Our military has grown into playing two roles. One is protecting and defending America (and its interests) around the world. The other is a subsidizing the defense/high tech sector, as well as providing a permanent Keynesian stimulus.

How do we change that? I don't know? At least, to start with, being honest about the two roles?
 
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britwrit said:
That's the trouble. Our military has grown into playing two roles. One is protecting and defending America (and its interests) around the world. The other is a subsidizing the defense/high tech sector, as well as providing a permanent Keynesian stimulus.

How do we change that? I don't know? At least, to start with, being honest about the two roles?

But is it worth sacrificing lives to keep the "military industrial complex" going?
 
I agree with you 100 percent on not sacrifing lives for this "Cause" or this "Complex"

The fact of the matter is, we can't afford to do this anymore.
 
Boom_70 said:
britwrit said:
That's the trouble. Our military has grown into playing two roles. One is protecting and defending America (and its interests) around the world. The other is a subsidizing the defense/high tech sector, as well as providing a permanent Keynesian stimulus.

How do we change that? I don't know? At least, to start with, being honest about the two roles?

But is it worth sacrificing lives to keep the "military industrial complex" going?

Of course not, but if you're going to force downsizing you better have a plan to find jobs for the people who are going to be out of work.
 
The danger we face is the same fate that befell other world empires in the past. They found themselves overextended, turned inward, and the next thing you know the Visigoths are strolling down the Appian Way.
 
Man, you elect a democratic president and he escalates a couple wars and won't make a ruling on gay marriage.
 
Mizzougrad96 said:
Man, you elect a democratic president and he escalates a couple wars and won't make a ruling on gay marriage.

or close Gitmo, or shut down Patriot act,

He has my vote for 2012.
 
I'm never going to agree with much that Obama does from an economy standpoint, but I was actually quite hopeful that he would end the war and legalize gay marriage.
 
Boom_70 said:
The monthly cost to nation build in Afghanistan.

It's time to bring our troops and money home. We need to start nation building at home.

Eugene Robinson nails in in today Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-plan-for-afghanistan-declare-victory--and-leave/2011/06/09/AGz8LrNH_story.html

Again - time to take our money and troops home.
 

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