Webb to Shrubby: Mind your own damn business

[dog428]

Didn't see this posted on here. Sorry if d_b'd.

It seems Jim Webb didn't take to kindly to a question about his son's welfare from the man who sent his son into war for no good reason.

And Fredo continues to find ways to embarrass himself.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/bush-has-chilly-words-with-senator/20061129180009990016?ncid=NWS00010000000001

 

[Chi City 81]

It was posted (by Fenian, I think), but I can't find the thread right now.

 

[old_tony]

It's a bit down on Page 1 of this thread:

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/34501/

It's not in its own thread and down far enough that I would not consider this a D_B, dog.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

Earlier tonight I read George Will's column on it. Normally I respect his writing even if I don't always agree with it, but tonight he left out a few details so that he could rip Webb without making Bush look like a horse's ass.

Every other story I've read on it has included Bush's rather curt reply to Webb concerning the new senator's son. Will's story didn't, in order to make Webb look like a liberal douche. It may work in places outside of Virginia, but really Webb won't care. He's in office the next 6 years.

I get the feeling that Webb will be agitating pols on both sides of the aisle, and to that I say very good. Each side needs it. Will's column was terribly slanted, conservative bias if you would, and should be treated with the same red pen that an article slanted that liberally would be.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Webb's a lot of things, but he's no liberal douche.

W's under the delusion that the whole agenda's still his to call.

Well, 11/7 took the domestic podium away from him.

. . . and in terms of foreign policy (which, alas, remains his), his credibility -- already miniscule -- shrinks by the day. And you thought it wasn't possible.

As I've said for two years, plus . . . it's a civil war, dingbat.

And any sober policymaker who could envision more than one move, ahead, would have seen that, years ago . . .

But not this guy. No chance.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

Ben, you're more often a voice of reason than you're given credit for.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

I grieve, mister. This guy inspires more fear than I've ever felt.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

It's been mentioned here before. This guy literally feels nothing for anyone except himself. Not an ounce of sympathy for anyone who's died in his excellent adventure. Nothing for the people in New Orleans. His wife gets hustled out of the WH during a security alert, and he keeps riding his bike. His daughters are running around Argentina, ducking their SS protection and embarrassing BOTH governments, and he does nothing. And this? Not only a feckless bungler, but a snippy one at that. We are not getting out if Iraq while he's president because he looks at that as a personal defeat, and that's the only thing that matters.
26 more months.
Jesus wept.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

He's working on his "legacy".

News flash: MOST (not all, but MOST) of it is already set in stone.

 

[zeke12]

I've said it on here many times, but it bears saying again:

He will be judged on this war, and he will not be judged well.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

It's been mentioned here before. This guy literally feels nothing for anyone except himself. Not an ounce of sympathy for anyone who's died in his excellent adventure. Nothing for the people in New Orleans. His wife gets hustled out of the WH during a security alert, and he keeps riding his bike. His daughters are running around Argentina, ducking their SS protection and embarrassing BOTH governments, and he does nothing. And this? Not only a feckless bungler, but a snippy one at that. We are not getting out if Iraq while he's president because he looks at that as a personal defeat, and that's the only thing that matters.
26 more months.
Jesus wept.

Then what do you make the of the stories of sympathy, where tears are even shed, during times where he meets with the families of fallen soldiers? Most of the time you hear about how he's less than stoic and inhumane, and seems to empathize pretty well with those family members. Or do you feel it's all an act?

 

[dog428]

It's been mentioned here before. This guy literally feels nothing for anyone except himself. Not an ounce of sympathy for anyone who's died in his excellent adventure. Nothing for the people in New Orleans. His wife gets hustled out of the WH during a security alert, and he keeps riding his bike. His daughters are running around Argentina, ducking their SS protection and embarrassing BOTH governments, and he does nothing. And this? Not only a feckless bungler, but a snippy one at that. We are not getting out if Iraq while he's president because he looks at that as a personal defeat, and that's the only thing that matters.
26 more months.
Jesus wept.

Then what do you make the of the stories of sympathy, where tears are even shed, during times where he meets with the families of fallen soldiers? Most of the time you hear about how he's less than stoic and inhumane, and seems to empathize pretty well with those family members. Or do you feel it's all an act?

Hell yes, it's an act. You've seen this guy try to act sincere before -- he's pulled it off once, and even that was rather clumsy. Every other time, it has always comes off as unbelievably phony. You really think that changes behind closed doors, when these parents are basically blaming him for their kids deaths?

The guy doesn't care. I truly believe that. Hell, at this point, given everything that's gone down, it's much easier to believe that he doesn't care. Everything he's done, every rotten decision, every personal attack, every dip**** move -- all of it has been for his personal gain.

There's another thread on here in which people are arguing if he's the worst president ever. To me, what I've said above wins him the title. It's not that he's been worse at leading the country than some other presidents have. It's that he's done so much to wreck the lives of so damn many for his personal gain.

He's a horrible human being and the worst president ever.

 

[zeke12]

I don't know if he's a horrible human being, but I do think he'll be ranked as one of the worst presidents ever.

When viewed through the lens of history, his response to 9/11 will not look very good.

His decision to invade Iraq will be rightly viewed as nonsensical. His failure to provide any sort of mission-specific exit strategy will be mocked incredulously. And his insistence on staying long after any possible good could happen will be seen as bordering on delusional.

 

[Boom_70]

I don't know if he's a horrible human being, but I do think he'll be ranked as one of the worst presidents ever.

When viewed through the lens of history, his response to 9/11 will not look very good.

His decision to invade Iraq will be rightly viewed as nonsensical. His failure to provide any sort of mission-specific exit strategy will be mocked incredulously. And his insistence on staying long after any possible good could happen will be seen as bordering on delusional.

He certainly will look better than LBJ when judged in history.


Webb is going to be fun to watch. No one will push him around from either party. He has always been a renegade.

 

[JR]

He certainly will look better than LBJ when judged in history.

You've gotta be kidding me.

Even if Vietnam was Johnson's Iraq, his domestic policies alone rate him way higher than Fredo--whose idea of domestic policy is favouring daddy's friends.

 

[Mighty_Wingman]

Yeah, Johnson's domestic policies ushered in an unprecedented era of prosperity. That's why every subsequent president dismantled them a few at a time -- capped by Clinton, who imploded the last remaining shards of the Great Society.

Bush may be doing a terrible job, but let's not let his incompetence blind us to Johnson's.

 

[Ace]

At least Hitler was good before he went too far.

Bush, eh, not so much.

 

[Mighty_Wingman]

At least Hitler was good before he went too far.

Bush, eh, not so much.

This is what I miss about this place.

 

[Ace]

At least Hitler was good before he went too far.

Bush, eh, not so much.

This is what I miss about this place.

Marge Schott had a zen-like wisdom about her, you gotta admit.

 

[Mighty_Wingman]

A Zen koan, by Marge Shott:

Eric Davis floats toward a fly ball, gliding like a lily in water.
N----r.