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Wasn't sure which forum to put this, so settled here. I figure it might ultimately be a good advice thread, so if the mods want to move it, please do.

My question is about changing jobs. Not the forced decision so much, but more the careful decision.

When do you know it's time to move on to the next thing?

I know there are variables everywhere. But, ultimately, what are your most deciding factors?

(Postscript: Yeah, I have some weird decisions ahead of me, and it's weird being chased like this, so this advice helps.)
 
Best of luck, but I'm honestly not the best person to ask. My brain doesn't work that way.
The couple of times I have faced that decision, it was made then and there. Whatever happened next played no part.
The deciding factor is when you've reached the point that you can take no more.

If you want to roll on down to TI, I'll buy you a beer, listen to your story, and give you my philosophy.
 
Well, as with everything in life .... it depends.

I've been laid off four times. Two of the four, fine, so be it. The other two, I was really upset. Leaving?

I've left for better opportunities a handful of times. Mostly from a work-life standpoint and it worked out fine.

My current situation is mostly, meh, it's fine. It's a job after being laid off and sitting out for six months. If I find something better, great. Not actively looking, but people reach out to me. If not, the people I work with are cool. The job is boring but I absolutely cannot beat the schedule and the flexibility -- and there is a lot to be said for that, even if I should be making a ton F more than I am.
 
Fifteen years after leaving the best job I ever had, I still have to acknowledge that it may have been a mistake.

2011: Newspaper chains were furiously consolidating their design/editing duties into hubs. Tribune Company started with Newport News and then Hartford jobs being outsourced to Chicago. "Fort Lauderdale and Orlando are next," we were told. "Within a year."

So I started looking. McClatchy was hiring 24 people for a design/editing hub in Charlotte (I learned about the openings on sj.com!). Monster pay cut. But seeming stability, as it was better to be in a hub than a spoke. Cost of living also was much less expensive (bought a nice house there for $143K). And I knew the wife would adore the area (that turned out to be very true). So I traded money for stability, got one of the McClatchy jobs and left. Ten years later, McClatchy outsourced my job to India.

The kicker (or gut punch)? "Within a year" turned out to be about seven years before Fort Lauderdale and Orlando copy desks were outsourced to Chicago. Now, there is no guarantee that I would have survived those seven years --- layoffs were ongoing throughout that period --- but I always wonder.
 
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When do you know it's time to move on to the next thing?

I know there are variables everywhere. But, ultimately, what are your most deciding factors?
I've been asking myself similar questions of late. Are there avenues to move up the ladder (if you even want that), or do you have to seek those elsewhere? Does the job provide the kind of fulfillment you need, even if it's just financial? I walked away from what was probably the most stable job I'll ever find in newspapers -- one that even provided housing for free -- because I couldn't stand the location or the product and the editor and I were constantly at odds.

Do you see a future where you are, and do you want to be part of that future? You're the expert on what you want out of a job and life. Which path gets you closer to where you want to be?
 
The short answer: Who really knows?

The longer look: I've been laid off four times, none for anything done wrong. Only the first three were in the biz ... now, I freelance because I can pick and choose, because it's fun and fulfilling – if it were about the money, there's more to be made doing other things – and because I work with people who actually know how to say "thank you." The last layoff made clear that some situations outside journalism aren't necessarily much better run.

IMO, when someone offers you a better salary, better benefits and better overall situation, then it's a no-brainer. Now, some possibilities featuring a combination of downgrades and upgrades? A case-by-case guess that might work out quite well for one, while being absolutely the wrong move for someone else. There's no tried-and-true formula ... sometimes, we're just winging it. Much like life.
 
Wasn't sure which forum to put this, so settled here. I figure it might ultimately be a good advice thread, so if the mods want to move it, please do.

My question is about changing jobs. Not the forced decision so much, but more the careful decision.

When do you know it's time to move on to the next thing?

I know there are variables everywhere. But, ultimately, what are your most deciding factors?

(Postscript: Yeah, I have some weird decisions ahead of me, and it's weird being chased like this, so this advice helps.)
There was a time in my life - in journalism no less - when I felt that I'd done everything I would do in the present situation. Most of the people I started with - the friends I'd made - had moved on to other things and the job didn't feel like the job I enjoyed so much. Sometimes the job duties or shift would be tweaked and you'd wonder if you'd even want your job if you were applying for it for the first time. I even had the thought that - "Yeah, I could do this the rest of my life, but do I want to?"
I quit without a new gig ahead of me in Oregon, finished my Bachelors while working two part-time jobs (one doing HS sports at a local paper). Eventually that paper hired me full time as a GA in news and THAT was the best gig I'll probably ever have. Not for the pay so much, but for the opportunities to do so many different types of stories, talk to so many different people. But even there, there came a time when I wondered if I'd even accept a promotion or a move to a different beat - I'd felt I'd done everything I wanted, a lot of my closest friends had moved on, and the job just wasn't the same. It didn't help that new editors came in, and it was clear they wanted new people that they could claim credit for hiring. But then the long downturn in Oregon journalism began.

Bottom line: Do you find the "unknown" more interesting than the predictable?
 
Wish I had an answer - I would have actively sought a way out of newspapers rather than saying, "There's no way they will cut our sports department to 5, then 3, then 0" and be one of the layoffs that took it to 0.

All the wisdom(?) I can provide is to say when opportunities present themselves, always (ALWAYS) listen. You'll hear about things that make zero sense, so you know to dismiss them immediately. But you'll also hear about things that may make sense, and then hear about things where the culture, pay, duties, stability, work-life balance make it a no-brainer to pursue it.
 
My POV, when you’re no longer irreplaceable.

This is in law but one time when I was just a young’en parter said “if you don’t know who your supporter is [in the partner/mgt] meeting, you’re in trouble”. I’ve told my young son foster good relationships with your supervisors so you know where you stand. I do this all the time.

I left one firm once over 20 yrs ago and hit the recession unfortunately, new firm told me they were cutting my comp 50%!!! (Was sole breadwinner with two young kids and a mortgage, talk about pressure) I left a week later. (Wife says it was the best disruption ever because my career took off from there). So that’s one way to know 😎
 
I knew about a decade ago when my managing editor kept adding more and more for my department to do for his vanity projects. I submitted a cover suggestion that was very timely and he rejected it, saying, "It's not our target audience." The obvious follow-up question was "Then why are we participating in this to begin with?" and he said "Because I wanted you to be a part of it."

The mother of all National Tautology Service watches was issued. Four months later, I jumped at the brass ring and gonzo.
 
My POV, when you’re no longer irreplaceable.

This is in law but one time when I was just a young’en parter said “if you don’t know who your supporter is [in the partner/mgt] meeting, you’re in trouble”. I’ve told my young son foster good relationships with your supervisors so you know where you stand. I do this all the time.

I left one firm once over 20 yrs ago and hit the recession unfortunately, new firm told me they were cutting my comp 50%!!! (Was sole breadwinner with two young kids and a mortgage, talk about pressure) I left a week later. (Wife says it was the best disruption ever because my career took off from there). So that’s one way to know 😎
See, I take the opposite point of view: No one is irreplaceable -- ever.

Everyone, in every position, has their place, and their value. But, irreplaceable? No.

I've gone, over the course of my life, from a place where my career/work meant everything, and was, for better or worse, my life, to a time, now, where it is practically a distraction from, and an interruption of what I now consider the things I really want to do, and see as the most important. I am pretty much just biding my time, now, and going through the motions of work, just because it is, unfortunately, a NECESSARY distraction/interruption, financially speaking, as I try to secure a comfortable retirement sometime in the next few years.

With that change of perspective in mind, however, I would now say that what you do depends on where you are in life. That change of perspective -- brought on by several key life events that have occurred in mine over the past few years -- also has changed my emphasis on things that can't always necessarily be changed easily: family life, location, health issues. Such things really are the most important, and while people often pay lip service to them as such during younger years, they actually BECOME that, the longer life goes on.

What, and especially, with whom, do you want to spend your time, or give of yourself? Where, and into what do you want put your time, and your money? The lead pastor at my church always says that where people put those two things tells you a lot about their priorities, and I have always thought, "You know what? You're right." There's just no arguing it.

You love to follow and share in your daughter's career and life, I can tell. Can you do that the way you want from where you're at, and with the work/life balance you have now, and considering her desires (or not) for your presence/nearness, etc.?

Is there something else driving these thoughts? A particular work, personal or health issue? And what can be done regarding any such things if they are factors? What values, perhaps, have changed or evolved lately to make these considerations be top of mind right now? And, most of all, do you have the means and/or the courage to make any changes that may be required or desired? That's a biggie, one that most people don't ask, or even realize, until they've just "gone along" for years, without doing anything they might later wish they had.

But these are the kinds of things you need to be asking. The answers should help guide your next moves.
 
Let’s say for the purposes of this answer that you have a Monday-Friday job.

What time on Sunday do you start thinking about the job and what’s ahead on Monday? Is it a calm, mundane thought or does it put your stomach in knots? Is it a passing thought or does you keep brooding on it?

If the thought of Monday eats up half your weekend, that can’t stand for long.
 
See, I take the opposite point of view: No one is irreplaceable -- ever.

Everyone, in every position, has their place, and their value. But, irreplaceable? No.
I'm not saying someone is absolutely irreplaceable.

I was only addressing the situation where UNC Grad appeared to ask when to look for a new position.

I was trying to stress that when you are, for lack of a better word, "fungible" and without a strong relationship with those who supervise and can determine your role, then one could be easily in jeopardy and I would be looking elsewhere.
 
No one is irreplaceable, and the moment you think are, there's usually something wrong with the thought process.

Given that enough of us do/did work in newsrooms, I'd be amazed if this is anything more than a gentle reminder.
 
I left newspapers for good in December 2017. Before that, I had spent a year getting things lined up to jump into teaching.

It wasn’t one thing that sealed it for me but the two big things were watching a colleague who was way more talented than me get pushed out after she complained about an editor who was unhinged and down right abusive. The only reason he lasted longer than a month is because we got bought out right when he was hired and the guy who realized the hire was a mistake got fired.

The second thing was what happened after she left. I worked at a three-sister-paper company, so there were three different staffs producing three papers but we all worked as basically one office. When she was forced out, they didn’t hire anyone new and just had me take over her responsibilities with a nominal pay raise.

It didn’t help my wife and I were looking to adopt and I knew the late nights of an SE wasn’t going to fly when we had a kid.

I’m now finding my 7th year as a teacher. I switched schools two years ago when my principal (whom I adored) took another job and the district was threatening involuntary moves due to declining enrollment. It was a difficult but ultimately a good decision.
 

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