Saudi gang-rape victim is whipped and jailed

[heyabbott]

We also seem to have the death penalty for lots of people who didn't actually commit the crime as well. But, in fairness, most of them looked pretty shady to begin with.

Name someone who was actually executed for a crime they didn't commit in the United States since Gregg v. Georgia. If you don't like the death penalty, amend the Constitution of the United States.
But to equate whipping a rape victim to the existence of a Constitutional form of punishment is ludicrous and irrational.

 

[Ace]

We also seem to have the death penalty for lots of people who didn't actually commit the crime as well. But, in fairness, most of them looked pretty shady to begin with.

Name someone who was actually executed for a crime they didn't commit in the United States since Gregg v. Georgia. If you don't like the death penalty, amend the Constitution of the United States.
But to equate whipping a rape victim to the existence of a Constitutional form of punishment is ludicrous and irrational.

I am sorry. I was making an assumption that because more than three dozen people were released from death row in the past 5-6 years using DNA evidence to determine their innocence, it's likely to extrapolate that there may have been 1-2 folks in the previous 200 years who were put to death though innocent.

And I don't like the death penalty. Since you have given me written permission to amend it, I will head straight to the National Archives with a red marker.

Thanks.

 

[ATLienCP]

Easy solution to the whole problem (and I mean Mideast-West relations): pull out all U.S. interests in the entire region, Israel included. If they want to multilate their women, repeal constitutions and bomb each other into oblivion, so be it. In a few years, there should be the means to survive almost oil-free.

Sorry, but we are more then a few years away. Now, if we figure out a way to hit up the green river formation in a cost effective way then at least we can get off foreign oil. Oil is here to stay. Even if we ween our vehicles off of it within 20 years(no way) it is used in way too many other things for us to ever kick the habit completely.

 

[Lyman_Bostock]

Alan is instantly in my top-5 of greatest Canadians ever.

There is a huge gap between violently punishing the victim of a rape and having the death penalty for actual criminals.

No, actually the death penalty is worse because there's this nasty little thing called executing innocent victims


I was merely responding to one of Abbot's usual anti-Muslim threads. You know, glass houses and all that.

And then of course, Lyman jumps in accusing me of anti-Americanism and goes on about "installing a democracy in Saudi Arabia"--proving my point about one's own backyard.

And then people show up advocating the invasion of Saudi Arabia.

Yup, all the big brains at work on this thread.

The Saudi invasion deal was sarcasm. sorry I withheld the blue font.

I just couldn't take another 'let's bash the US' jab from a Canadian. Everything about those types of statements smacks of an inferiority complex replete with shades of passive aggressive ****ery.

Couldn't have made that last statement better myself. Flying Headbutt's comment is spot on.

And JR, please tell me where I "went on" about installing democracy in Saudi Arabia. As far as accusing you of anti-Americanism -- I'd say your statements speak for themselves. Judging from others' reactions, including one of your own countrymen, it appears people who can't read/comprehend English are the only ones who think your comments weren't anti-American.

 

[JR]

I wasn't bashing the US

My post was merely a counterpoint to Abbott's usual bigotry. He can barely contain himself when he finds something that will inflame anit-Muslim feelings around this place.

I'm usually waiting for Hondo to show up but Lyman did this time so it's not been a total waste.

You know Abbott's dying to type "towelhead" or "raghead" but even he can't cross that line.


I was merely saying, given certain unsavoury FACTS of aspects of the U.S. judicial system I wouldn't be too quick to jump on another country's--as distasteful as it might seem.

 

[Lyman_Bostock]

I wasn't bashing the US

My post was merely a counterpoint to Abbott's usual bigotry. He can barely contain himself when he finds something that will inflame anit-Muslim feelings around this place.

I'm usually waiting for Hondo to show up but Lyman did this time so it's not been a total waste.

You know Abbott's dying to type "towelhead" or "raghead" but even he can't cross that line.


I was merely saying, given certain unsavoury FACTS of aspects of the U.S. judicial system I wouldn't be too quick to jump on another country's--as distasteful as it might seem.

Cut the disingenuous crap, JR. This certainly isn't the first time you've been accused of it.

 

[Chuck~Taylor]

Alright Yab. Now go find one single shred of evidence that says that this is ok in Islam.
Saudis have done a lot things that go against Islam. Like forcing women to cover up their whole bodies.

 

[JR]

Lyman, stop being a ****.

Any time I make a comment about the US that's remotely negative you accuse me of being "anti-American" --which you take to mean anybody who doesn't have their head up Fredo's ass.

And I don't care how many times I've been "accused" of it. Given the sources most of the time, I just find it amusing.

You're just pissed that I'm not an American so you can tell me to "love it or leave it".

 

[JR]

Alright Yab. Now go find one single shred of evidence that says that this is ok in Islam.
Saudis have done a lot things that go against Islam. Like forcing women to cover up their whole bodies.

Chuck, you're dealing with Abbott, the renowned Islamic scholar.

 

[BBJones]

And I don't like the death penalty. Since you have given me written permission to amend it, I will head straight to the National Archives with a red marker.

Would you mind using a green or light blue marker? Red upsets the children and they are unable to perform well in their soccer games after school.

 

[Lyman_Bostock]

Lyman, stop being a ****.

Any time I make a comment about the US that's remotely negative you accuse me of being "anti-American" --which you take to mean anybody who doesn't have their head up Fredo's ass.

And I don't care how many times I've been "accused" of it. Given the sources most of the time, I just find it amusing.

You're just pissed that I'm not an American so you can tell me to "love it or leave it".

"Stop being a ****"? Coming from you, that's rich.

If one were to go through your posts regarding the U.S. and list the negative ones against the positive ones, the former would outweigh the latter by a hefty margin. You don't have to be Bush's bum boy to see that. Heck, a lot of other Canadians around these parts are embarrassed by the vituperative nature of your U.S.-related commentary.

Certainly my country isn't perfect. But it isn't always imperfect, which is almost always the thrust of your U.S.-related posts. I realize a lot of Canadians feel the way you do. But, as alanTdot so eloquently put it, it reeks of an inferiority complex combined with passive/aggressive ****ery.

Instead of condemning the Saudi justice system -- which I think any freedom-loving human would do -- you just had to get in a dig against Uncle Sam. You couldn't help yourself, I guess. You were just doing what you do best.

 

[JR]

So, if I think that Fredo's Little Adventure is an unmitigated disaster, has upset international diplomacy and cost tens--maybe hundreds or thousands of lives--that's a "dig against Uncle Sam" ?

And freedom loving humans also abhor the fact that your government executes its citizens--and in Fredo's case, gleefully. Wait a minute. That's a negative. My apologies.

And stop with your ninth grade amateur psychology--the only thing I have an inferiority complex about is my grey hair.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

So you'd like to think. ::)

 

[Lyman_Bostock]

So, if I think that Fredo's Little Adventure is an unmitigated disaster, has upset international diplomacy and cost tens--maybe hundreds or thousands of lives--that's a "dig against Uncle Sam" ?

And freedom loving humans also abhor the fact that your government executes its citizens--and in Fredo's case, gleefully. Wait a minute. That's a negative. My apologies.

And stop with your ninth grade amateur psychology--the only thing I have an inferiority complex about is my grey hair.

Your dig against the U.S. had nothing to do with Bush or Iraq or anything of the sort, and you know it. Quit changing the subject.

And yes, the U.S. executes its citizens -- who have been convicted by juries of their peers of the most heinous crimes imaginable. And only after seemingly endless judicial appeals have been exhausted. I guess you forgot that part, eh?

 

[JR]

So you'd like to think. ::)

Well, I used to be worried about my slapshot. But I got over it.

 

[zeke12]

So you'd like to think. ::)

Well, I used to be worried about my slapshot. But I got over it.

You should have been using a snap shot any way.

 

[Ace]

And yes, the U.S. executes its citizens -- who have been convicted by juries of their peers of the most heinous crimes imaginable. I guess you forgot that part, eh?

Unless they are well-to-do.

 

[JR]

And yes, the U.S. executes its citizens -- who have been convicted by juries of their peers of the most heinous crimes imaginable. And only after seemingly endless judicial appeals have been exhausted. I guess you forgot that part, eh?

So, you're proud of the fact that you're right up there with China and Saudi Arabia in the state-sanctioned murder sweepstakes?

Here's an idea.

First there was The War on Drugs.

Now there's The War on Terror.

You could call all this killing The War on The Poor, the Tired & The Huddled Masses".

 

[JR]

So you'd like to think. ::)

Well, I used to be worried about my slapshot. But I got over it.

You should have been using a snap shot any way.

Backhand, baby, backhand. :)

 

[Lyman_Bostock]

And yes, the U.S. executes its citizens -- who have been convicted by juries of their peers of the most heinous crimes imaginable. And only after seemingly endless judicial appeals have been exhausted. I guess you forgot that part, eh?

So, you're proud of the fact that you're right up there with China and Saudi Arabia in the state-sanctioned murder sweepstakes?

Here's an idea.

First there was The War on Drugs.

Now there's The War on Terror.

You could call all this killing The War on The Poor, the Tired & The Huddled Masses".

Executions in China in 2005 = 8,000 (est., including for offenses such as tax evasion)

Executions in the U.S. in 2005 = 60