Running "Cops be crazy yo" thread

[poindexter]

Is anyone else a little uneasy by this new "let's film the cops and make them out to be evil" thing going around the Internet now?

Not in the least.

I am more uneasy by seeing how many times the narrative of the official police report has only a passing resemblance to the youtube video we are watching.

 

[qtlaw24]

From my review of criminal procedure history in law school, my conclusion is that law enforcement's attempts at "self-regulation" (we'll honor the Constitution, we don't need any outside scrutiny!) are laughable. Until there is a price to be paid, law enforcement just protects themselves.

 

[hondo]

Nothing excuses the cop's behavior and I hope he gets fired and sued. But every report I've seen is burying the fact deep in the story that the kids did not live at the community and were trespassing at the pool that is reserved for residents and no more than two guests.
All that said, the cops who stayed calm handled things very well. One butthole fuels the fire.

 

[Ace]

Hey, what are the cops afraid of?

Pretty long list. Girls in bikinis for one.

12-year-old black kids with toy guns.

Etc.

 

[Ace]

Nothing excuses the cop's behavior and I hope he gets fired and sued. But every report I've seen is burying the fact deep in the story that the kids did not live at the community and were trespassing at the pool that is reserved for residents and no more than two guests.
All that said, the cops who stayed calm handled things very well. One butthole fuels the fire.

Correct. All it takes is one butthole cop to cause a problem.

Problem is in the police culture, you side with the jerk who overreacts. You are ostracized if you don't. The best protect the worst.

 

[Tarheel316]

Correct. All it takes is one butthole cop to cause a problem.

Problem is in the police culture, you side with the jerk who overreacts. You are ostracized if you don't. The best protect the worst.

This post makes me think of Serpico.

 

[The Big Ragu]

Is anyone else a little uneasy by this new "let's film the cops and make them out to be evil" thing going around the Internet now?

I think it is the greatest thing in the world. There have always been abusive cops, and lots of them who think nothing of taking shortcuts to railroad people, such as planting evidence or filing false charges. And they prey on the people who are the most ignorant of their rights or who are the most socio-economically powerless. These videos are shining a spotlight on the police and it is a great thing if it helps keep them honest because they now always have to worry about being filmed. So I think it is wonderful and hope it happens more and more. If it stops even one cop from beating the **** out of someone -- because he used to know he would get away with it -- great! Transparency is never a bad thing.

We become indoctrinated at an early age to believe that the police are our friends. And so many people believe that they are supposed to subordinate themselves to cops -- as in, the cops are an authority over our lives. But it should be the opposite, in my opinion. We're free people. The cops should be leaving us alone unless there is a VERY compelling reason -- a high probable cause standard. And even if a cop can meet a high probable cause standard--let's say they really wanted to detain all of those kids--there should always be a primacy on our rights as free people. The cops are the intruders on our lives when they get involved with us (and detain anyone), not the other way around. I think societally we have stepped farther and farther away from that fundamental idea, and when that happens you are that much closer to losing your freedom as a people.

All cops can do is take away your freedom. So to my way of thinking, they are NOT my friend. They can only create a hellish problem for me. Worse, you never know who you are dealing with -- that one bad apple, that people are talking about (and I'd argue that there are way more bad apples, than just one). If you have to worry about their abuse, being roughed up by one, having false charges brought against you, having evidence planted, or whatever crappy things they can do to mess with you, it makes it a real problem for society. So I say film away. Keep them honest.

 

[Vombatus]

This post makes think of Serpico.

Yep, me too, and I just watched Serpico last week.

 

[Tarheel316]

Yep, me too, and I just watched Serpico last week.

Code of Silence with Chuck Norris, too.

 

[poindexter]

Just nothing but one bad apple here.

Bronx man to sue over unexplained arrest, alleged injury - NY Daily News

 

[LongTimeListener]

He had an expired license, poin. He's lucky they only broke his wrist.

 

[poindexter]

He had an expired license, poin. He's lucky they only broke his wrist.

Not even that.

Police ignored paperwork Farias had with him indicating that his suspension had been lifted, documents claim.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Good point. Then I will defer to the official explanation of windshield obstruction, a.k.a. the Christmas tree air freshener on the rear-view mirror.

Seems legit.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Nothing excuses the cop's behavior and I hope he gets fired and sued. But every report I've seen is burying the fact deep in the story that the kids did not live at the community and were trespassing at the pool that is reserved for residents and no more than two guests.
All that said, the cops who stayed calm handled things very well. One butthole fuels the fire.

One neighborhood resident also posted on FB that a DJ had shown up, been playing music, and had invited people to a "pool party" for $15.

 

[zagoshe]

Filmed.

Not for the weak. Lots of blood. Pool of blood. Drowning in an ocean of blood.

Graphic Body Cam Footage Shows Killer Cop as He Murders an Innocent Unarmed Man | The Free Thought Project

Once again, an officer has his gun drawn, tells dude to take his hands out of his pants and put them up and dude doesn't listen.

**** him

 

[zagoshe]

So you're saying as an adult, you're scared of a bunch of teenagers despite all that training you received as a cop to use alternate methods for crowd control to diffuse a situation instead of escalating it? Glad you're not in law enforcement if your first reaction is to always pull your weapon.

"A bunch of teenagers"? Yeah that's it - because it isn't like a bunch of teenagers could be packing heat, it isn't like little Boyz in the Hood wannabes are loaded for bear and willing to shoot at anyone to "make their bones"

I have no issue at all with a cop, who is trying to settle a situation, pulling his pistol when a bunch of wannabe tough guys charge him.

**** them too

 

[zagoshe]

I think it is the greatest thing in the world. There have always been abusive cops, and lots of them who think nothing of taking shortcuts to railroad people, such as planting evidence or filing false charges. And they prey on the people who are the most ignorant of their rights or who are the most socio-economically powerless. These videos are shining a spotlight on the police and it is a great thing if it helps keep them honest because they now always have to worry about being filmed. So I think it is wonderful and hope it happens more and more. If it stops even one cop from beating the **** out of someone -- because he used to know he would get away with it -- great! Transparency is never a bad thing.

We become indoctrinated at an early age to believe that the police are our friends. And so many people believe that they are supposed to subordinate themselves to cops -- as in, the cops are an authority over our lives. But it should be the opposite, in my opinion. We're free people. The cops should be leaving us alone unless there is a VERY compelling reason -- a high probable cause standard. And even if a cop can meet a high probable cause standard--let's say they really wanted to detain all of those kids--there should always be a primacy on our rights as free people. The cops are the intruders on our lives when they get involved with us (and detain anyone), not the other way around. I think societally we have stepped farther and farther away from that fundamental idea, and when that happens you are that much closer to losing your freedom as a people.

All cops can do is take away your freedom. So to my way of thinking, they are NOT my friend. They can only create a hellish problem for me. Worse, you never know who you are dealing with -- that one bad apple, that people are talking about (and I'd argue that there are way more bad apples, than just one). If you have to worry about their abuse, being roughed up by one, having false charges brought against you, having evidence planted, or whatever crappy things they can do to mess with you, it makes it a real problem for society. So I say film away. Keep them honest.

I don't disagree that cops should be subject to scrutiny, that we are a free people and should be free to live without getting ****ed with by cops.

That isn't my point.

My point is in many cases we are seeing partial videos, videos out of context, and every one of them is presented as if the cop is some predator who did something evil and thus we should be outraged.

And in some cases, I agree.

But in others I watch the video and want to see the WHOLE video and also come away thinking the cop did what he had to do in order to get home safely to see his wife and kids.

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

If that officer (and I use that term loosely) felt so threatened he should have called for back up. Again, its funny that the other two cops didn't seem to have to the same problems with these kids that this roid raging **** did. And I'd wanna' bash his ****ing teeth in for putting me in that situation as well as making me part of a national story.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

If that officer (and I use that term loosely) felt so threatened he should have called for back up. Again, its funny that the other two cops didn't seem to have to the same problems with these kids that this roid raging **** did. And I'd wanna' bash his ****ing teeth in for putting me in that situation as well as making me part of a national story.

There was backup. KTLA 5 reported at least a dozen officers responded. The NY Times reported there were as many as 130 kids there. Do the math.

 

[qtlaw24]

There was backup. KTLA 5 reported at least a dozen officers responded. The NY Times reported there were as many as 130 kids there. Do the math.

So about 7% are abusive?

Pulling a gun when unarmed people don't respond is not a reasonable response and should not be condoned.