NYPD turning its back on DeBlasio

[The Big Ragu]

Yes. Everyone is talking about universal pre K in NYC, cran. It's EXACTLY what people discuss when Bill De Blassio's name comes up in NYC. Page 1 of the Daily News everyday -- an ode to universal Pre K, the biggest issue that was facing NYC. In fact, the monument companies can't keep up with the requests for statues of Bill De Blasio now that he's won over the population by taking care of what they were really concerned about.

 

[cranberry]

Yep. Universal pre-K, at least when they're not talking about snow plows and skipping Herman Badillo's funeral and Rachel Noerdlinger.

 

[YankeeFan]

De Blasio is a politician, and an expert communicator.

He won the nomination because Quinn was too closely aligned with Bloomberg -- which looked like a good idea when she was working hard to align herself with him -- and because he ran on a "tale of two cities" campaign that painted the Bloomberg administration --with the NYPD as it's enforcers -- as interested only in serving the interests of the rich, while essentially criminalizing poverty.

The people that voted for him viewed him as anti-police. You can't then say, "what do you mean? How was he anti-police."

 

[Boom_70]

De Blasio is a politician, and an expert communicator.

He won the nomination because Quinn was too closely aligned with Bloomberg -- which looked like a good idea when she was working hard to align herself with him -- and because he ran on a "tale of two cities" campaign that painted the Bloomberg administration --with the NYPD as it's enforcers -- as interested only in serving the interests of the rich, while essentially criminalizing poverty.

The people that voted for him viewed him as anti-police. You can't then say, "what do you mean? How was he anti-police."

Right - anyone paying attention understands that is exactly what happened.

 

[lcjjdnh]

Stop, question and frisk is a basic tool of policing, not only American policing, around the world. But in United States, it's defined by the Cherry versus Ohio Supreme Court decision back in the late 1960s, which articulated when police can stop and for what purpose. So every police department in America every day does it.

-- Bill Bratton, February, 2014

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/02/25/bill-bratton-nypd

You cannot police without it, I’m sorry. It’s — if you did not have it, then you’d have anarchy, being quite frank with you.

Of course--quoting a two paragraph excerpt over two separate posts--you manage to omit the part where he says it was "overused." (I'm also not sure how you managed to turn Terry v. Ohio into Cherry v. Ohio.)

 

[YankeeFan]

It shows great journalism, looking for the real story under the headlines.
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[YankeeFan]

Of course--quoting a two paragraph excerpt over two separate posts--you manage to omit the part where he says it was "overused." (I'm also not sure how you managed to turn Terry v. Ohio into Cherry v. Ohio.)

You can blame the transcriber for the Terry/Cherry mistake.

And, yes, Bratton called it "overused". He also defended it. And, he doesn't think it's unconstitutional.

 

[old_tony]

So if you are the mayor, how do you un**** this mess?

Resign.

 

[YankeeFan]

 

[cranberry]

De Blasio is a politician, and an expert communicator.

He won the nomination because Quinn was too closely aligned with Bloomberg -- which looked like a good idea when she was working hard to align herself with him -- and because he ran on a "tale of two cities" campaign that painted the Bloomberg administration --with the NYPD as it's enforcers -- as interested only in serving the interests of the rich, while essentially criminalizing poverty.

The people that voted for him viewed him as anti-police. You can't then say, "what do you mean? How was he anti-police."

So you're saying he ran as being "anti-police" and that 795,679 people (73 pct.) who voted for him wanted a mayor who was anti-police, yet you can't find one lousy sentence he uttered that could be construed as anti-police. Please.

He won the election because his ideas were better and more progressive than Quinn's ideas. You are right that she was too closely aligned with Bloomberg.

And de Blasio didn't write your silly poster, either.

 

[lcjjdnh]

You can blame the transcriber for the Terry/Cherry mistake.

And, yes, Bratton called it "overused". He also defended it. And, he doesn't think it's unconstitutional.

Stop-and-frisk, in the abstract, clearly is constitutional (see Terry v. Ohio). That does not mean that, as practiced by the NYPD, the practice is constitutional. It's not inconsistent to hold both those positions.

 

[cranberry]

A federal judge found that the way it was used in NYC was unconstitutional.

 

[lcjjdnh]

A federal judge found that the way it was used in NYC was unconstitutional.

I agree. That was my point.

 

[YankeeFan]

Yeah. It was implemented by racist cops, in effort to keep the black man down:

ROSE: Most neighborhoods in New York are safer than they've been in decades, but not all. One community that's seen a jump in crime this year is East New York. It's a working-class neighborhood in Brooklyn that's predominantly black and Latino. Stop-and-frisk is down more than 90 percent. Shooting, here, on the other hand, are up roughly 30 percent from last year. James Williams (ph) says he felt safer when criminals were more afraid of the cops.

JAMES WILLIAMS: Now you got these kids running around here with these here guns and whatnot. They feel more safe caring them. They are more aggressive. They’re more bold, and they know now that the man can't stop, so they bring the guns out.

ROSE: Cynthia Gray (ph) agrees the neighborhood felt safer a year ago when stop-and-frisk was in full effect.

CYNTHIA GRAY: Yeah, it was better. I got mad if they did my son, you know, because he's a good. But they need to bring stop-and-frisk back.

http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=328120358

 

[cranberry]

No, it is illegal and unconstitutional to be used in the tactical way the NYC cops used it. Continued use of "broken windows" policing will work fine and it's legal.

 

[YankeeFan]

No, it is illegal and unconstitutional to be used in the tactical way the NYC cops used it. Continued use of "broken windows" policing will work fine and it's legal.

As long as the next Eric Garner doesn't resist arrest.

 

[YankeeFan]

You know, everyone -- including the authors of the "demands" I posted above -- call for cops to de-escalate the situations they are involved in.

And, it's true. A good cop should try to calm folks down, and explain what is happening.

But, that ends the moment someone resists arrest or punches a cop. After that, there's no more de-escalation. The cop can't disengage at that point.

And both Garner and Brown escalated the situations to the point where it couldn't be de-escalated.

 

[cranberry]

As long as the next Eric Garner doesn't resist arrest.

I have no problem with arresting Eric Garner. I don't even think a jury could possibly have found the cop guilty of anything more than excessive use of force, if that. There were, however, better ways to arrest him. It was clumsy and tragic at best, criminal and tragic at worst.

 

[YankeeFan]

I have no problem with arresting Eric Garner. I don't even think a jury could possibly have found the cop guilty of anything more than excessive use of force, if that. There were, however, better ways to arrest him. It was clumsy and tragic at best, criminal and tragic at worst.

I don't really disagree with this.

 

[Michael_ Gee]

I don't think anyone does. But the issue here is that every officer in the NYPD was hired by the city of New York and the Mayor, whomever it is, was elected by the people of New York, and if the former thinks that outranks the latter, they are a danger to the people of New York even if that's the last thing they want.
Calvin Coolidge became President breaking a police strike. Just sayin'