Major bridge collapse in Baltimore

[BitterYoungMatador2]

We get the Baltimore stations where we live and they've already said removal of the old bridge is more complicated than they expected it to be.

 

[goalmouth]

It'll be a modern design like what NY did with the Tappan Zee. Cable-stayed or similar. New piers, etc, the whole nine yards. The permitting and bidding will be expedited. Construction all while ship traffic continues. Landmark project for Baltimore and the state. No Big Dig here.

 

[Batman]

In an effort to save time, I hope they find a suitable/similar set of designs that have been used in the last decade or so and start from there instead of trying in engineer something totally from scratch. Also, I'm pretty much on record as being an outdoor conservationist, but if you are building right back where the old one was, you can forego the environmental study.

Every bridge is a little bit different, though, isn't it? You still have to account for factors specific to that location like currents, erosion, what type of soil you're driving the pilings into, obviously making it sturdy enough to withstand a hit, etc. You can look at the plans from the 1970s, but some of those variables might have changed in 50 years. I don't think it's like buying a kit.

 

[Starman]

https://www.nab.usace.army.mil/Medi...effort-to-clear-fort-mchenry-channel-followi/

The Guvvmint.

This could, and I suspect will, quickly become a huge issue this year.

A major national disaster, in an area with which Biden is personally very familiar; the opposition basically dedicated to the proposition they don't wanna pay no taxes for nothin ever, and continually throwing shrieking conniption fits about "guvvmint control" of anything, so almost certainly they'll start trying to furiously obstruct everything.

Biden should leap into FDR/JFK/Obama mode, issue statements and executive orders to the effect of, "yes we can, we choose to build a new bridge," etc etc, and let the Shiite MAGATS make idiots of themselves arguing not to do it, and better yet let Fat**** get up and start launching his own nitwit horse paste solutions which will by their own absurdity glaringly demonstrate that these idiots have no intention or ability to accomplish anything tangible, they only want to *****.

 

[goalmouth]

https://www.nab.usace.army.mil/Medi...effort-to-clear-fort-mchenry-channel-followi/

The Guvvmint.

First steps. Also, Ready Reserve military vessels there. Too bad it took a tragedy to do this. Thousands more decrepit bridges out there.

 

[Driftwood]

Every bridge is a little bit different, though, isn't it? You still have to account for factors specific to that location like currents, erosion, what type of soil you're driving the pilings into, obviously making it sturdy enough to withstand a hit, etc. You can look at the plans from the 1970s, but some of those variables might have changed in 50 years. I don't think it's like buying a kit.

Oh, I'm certain of that. My point was if you can use 50-60% of another design and modify it for this location, that puts you months ahead of starting at square one.

 

[MisterCreosote]

My wife, who works for the Governor of Pennsylvania, and I, who clearly does not, have had an interesting debate over this. She had a front row seat for the Interstate 95 overpass collapse last summer, which was mended and reopened in less than three weeks. She believes a similar "all hands on deck" strategy will be applied and the Key bridge will be rebuilt within a year. I, ever the pessimist, think there's no effing way. Even if you remove all of the red tape (which I don't trust the Rand Pauls of the world to behave for), the redesign isn't going to be quick. Hell, the original bridge took five years to build.

Yeah, but Baltimore doesn’t have the “ingenuity of Delco” to lean on!

 

[Starman]

Here come ol' flat top

 

[Neutral Corner]

 

[Cosmo]

Bob Good is a slimy piece of ****. **** him forever.

 

[tapintoamerica]

“Pork-laden.” Yeah. Legislation to rebuild a bridge, which inherently facilitates interstate commerce, is just a local, libruhl boondoggle. **** you.

 

[DanOregon]

Yeah, I want to travel on a bridge built as fast and cheaply as possible.....

 

[goalmouth]

Cut-and-dried

 

[swingline]

Cut-and-dried

Just like tobacco.

 

[Brooklyn Bridge]

Quick thinking by the captain saved lives.

 

[goalmouth]

Bridge disaster ship's bridge, posted by Brooklyn Bridge.

This stuff will come out in dribs and drabs as the NTSB and its investigators see fit. As with most incidents of this scale, it's not just the one thing.

 

[MileHigh]

Bridge disaster ship's bridge, posted by Brooklyn Bridge.

This stuff will come out in dribs and drabs as the NTSB and its investigators see fit. As with most incidents of this scale, it's not just the one thing.

Having dealt with personally with the NTSB, we'll get a preliminary report in pretty quick order. We got one within two to three weeks of the plane crash. If anything comes out in "dribs and drabs," it will be leaks. This is a high-profile event, vs. what we endured, but it took nearly two years to get the final report on the plane crash from the NTSB. Granted, it took nine months to recover the remnants of the crash and reconstruct as best they could because winter set in early. That said -- NTSB is very, very deliberate and matter-of-fact. They are damn good at what they do, at least in our experience and our first-hand experience with law enforcement in the county where the crash happened.

 

[Batman]

“Pork-laden.” Yeah. Legislation to rebuild a bridge, which inherently facilitates interstate commerce, is just a local, libruhl boondoggle. **** you.

The bridge will cost, let's say, $1 billion to rebuild. Do you really think it will be part of a standalone bill?
How much you want to bet it's a small part of another massive "infrastructure" bill that includes hundreds of items that are not the Key Bridge, or any bridge for that matter?
I think (or like to think) that's at least part of what he's talking about.

 

[tapintoamerica]

The bridge will cost, let's say, $1 billion to rebuild. Do you really think it will be part of a standalone bill?
How much you want to bet it's a small part of another massive "infrastructure" bill that includes hundreds of items that are not the Key Bridge, or any bridge for that matter?
I think (or like to think) that's at least part of what he's talking about.

And if he is? What, pray tell, is wrong with tacking on tangential work if it's necessary to ensure the long-term safety and viability of other bridges, roads, etc? His real problem -- this is on the Freedom Caucasians' letterhead -- is that it gave Biden a stage and it gives the fedruhl gubmint the opportunity to provide assistance in city and state that his klan hates because the state votes blue and the city is 60% Black.
Trumpists object to any disaster aid to libruhl states, parsing line by line for alleged waste. But when an SEC state gets devastated by a hurricane or a tornado, no philosophical objections get raised.

 

[Batman]

And if he is? What, pray tell, is wrong with tacking on tangential work if it's necessary to ensure the long-term safety and viability of other bridges, roads, etc? His real problem -- this is on the Freedom Caucasians' letterhead -- is that it gave Biden a stage and it gives the fedruhl gubmint the opportunity to provide assistance in city and state that his klan hates because the state votes blue and the city is 60% Black.
Trumpists object to any disaster aid to libruhl states, parsing line by line for alleged waste. But when an SEC state gets devastated by a hurricane or a tornado, no philosophical objections get raised.

Again, there is a very slim chance that any "infrastructure" bill that comes out of Congress actually spends all — or even most — of the money on "infrastructure."
That's the problem.
The Key Bridge obviously needs to be rebuilt. It should not be used as an excuse to add another couple trillion dollars in debt to the ledger.

 

[tapintoamerica]

Again, there is a very slim chance that any "infrastructure" bill that comes out of Congress actually spends all — or even most — of the money on "infrastructure."
That's the problem.
The Key Bridge obviously needs to be rebuilt. It should not be used as an excuse to add another couple trillion dollars in debt to the ledger.

Any past examples you’d care to provide?
Have the Freedom Caucasians ever objected to fedruhl disaster relief in SEC states?