Keith Ellison the first Muslim to be elected to Congress!!!

[JR]

Sorry to delay, but I have a real job....

But in light of the fact that polls of Muslims in the U.S. identify themselves as Muslims first and Americans second,

Yes, we all have real jobs. Does your declaring that make you special?

Give us proof of your poll.

Don't care one way or the other--just curious.

 

[HoopsMcCann]

Sorry to delay, but I have a real job....

In answer to one question, yes I have a problem with politicans claiming to be devout Catholics but who support abortion rights. However, I give them credit for representing their constituents (Teddy Kennedy springs to mind).

But in light of the fact that polls of Muslims in the U.S. identify themselves as Muslims first and Americans second, I'm only wonder how Mr. Ellison will vote on key issues. I haven't even passed any judgment on him or his religious beliefs. The good people of his district have spoken. Unlike many liberals, who disparage people for voting their conscience when they vote Republican, I won't question someone's right to vote for whom they want. (One poster on another thread on SportsJournalists.com recently referred to the "idiot swath who voted for George W. Bush twice and his father twice).

Simple question: Will Ellison remain true to the stances he took on his web site and during the campaign, or will he vote on the basis of his faith?

That's not a question that is critical of Muslims in any way. Only asking a question.

mr. big-shot with a job, have you asked it of any other of the newly-elected? or just non-christians?

 

[spnited]

Well, I just got home from my real job but I'm no longer wasting my energy on Mr. I Hate All Muslims.

 

[HoopsMcCann]

Well, I just got home from my real job but I'm no longer wasting my energy on Mr. I Hate All Muslims.

there's quite a few of those on this board. they have a nice little party going... that's why i usually skip these threads

 

[JR]

The irony is that radical fundamentalist Christians from the Deep South are as dangerous to traditional North Amrerican values as the radical Muslims that Hondo is railing against.

 

[pallister]

That statement is what makes you a complete moron. Just unbelievable you'd equate the threat of fundamentalist Christians with the threat of radical Muslims, who seek not to convert, but to kill. What an idiot.

 

[RAMBO]

I don't know. You may notice, hondo, that some of the different branches of Islam don't seem to be exacly on the same playbook themselves.

How can Muhammad Ali be considered a champion of world peace when he is a Muslim?

How can I be a Christian and be opposed to nearly everything the Southern Baptists may wish to do politically?

I'll grant you all of that. Now, show me a faction or sect or branch of Islam, either here or abroad, that is pro-choice and preaches tolerance of homosexuals. You seem to know all about Southern Baptists, so this shouldn't be hard to do.

That would be the Episcomuslim sect, I believe. The mosques are done in rainbow colors.

My question about all this debate is this: Ellison represents the people, not his religion. I want him making laws which are right, not which fall into his belief system. I also demand the same from judges, the president, etc. Silly me.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[RAMBO]

Your thoughts!!

Why are you still here?

Yes

Cockdian, he was asking WHY you're still here, not if you ARE still here. We're all wondering that.

Well I don't care if you have a problem with it I be here weather you like it or not.

Because I can be here if I want to you got a problem with that.

Obviously we do have a problem with it, but, y'know, there are laws and all....

 

[JR]

That statement is what makes you a complete moron. Just unbelievable you'd equate the threat of fundamentalist Christians with the threat of radical Muslims, who seek not to convert, but to kill. What an idiot.

Of course you think I am. Because you haven't learned to read or think.

If you don't think that the fundamentalist Christian loonies aren't a bigger threat to the values of a secular North American society, than you're not paying attention.

The "radical Muslims are out to convert and kill us" war cry which we hear regularly from the Hondo Ilk borders on hysteria. It's a bogeyman.

And no, I'm not saying that the wackbar Islamic fundamentalists aren't a threat. But last time I checked they haven't set up super churches in Memphis.

 

[alleyallen]

Sorry to delay, but I have a real job....

But in light of the fact that polls of Muslims in the U.S. identify themselves as Muslims first and Americans second,

Yes, we all have real jobs. Does your declaring that make you special?

Give us proof of your poll.

Don't care one way or the other--just curious.

He's quoting an incredibly UNSCIENTIFIC and therefore invalid poll conducted at a Muslim conference in Chicago, I believe. Even the poll takers admit it wasn't valid.

 

[JR]

Alley, oh, THAT poll. Forgot about that one. That was the best unintentional comedy around here in a long time.

I loved that. "Muslims for a Safe America" or something. Founded in like, 1963 or something because as we all know, everyone was worried about a real or perceived Muslim threat in the 60's.

 

[Ace]

But in light of the fact that polls of Muslims in the U.S. identify themselves as Muslims first and Americans second, I'm only wonder how Mr. Ellison will vote on key issues. I haven't even passed any judgment on him or his religious beliefs. The good people of his district have spoken. Unlike many liberals, who disparage people for voting their conscience when they vote Republican, I won't question someone's right to vote for whom they want. (One poster on another thread on SportsJournalists.com recently referred to the "idiot swath who voted for George W. Bush twice and his father twice).

According to the polls, the majority of people in the country are against the war and against the President.

Why do you hate America, hondo?

 

[alleyallen]

But in light of the fact that polls of Muslims in the U.S. identify themselves as Muslims first and Americans second, I'm only wonder how Mr. Ellison will vote on key issues. I haven't even passed any judgment on him or his religious beliefs. The good people of his district have spoken. Unlike many liberals, who disparage people for voting their conscience when they vote Republican, I won't question someone's right to vote for whom they want. (One poster on another thread on SportsJournalists.com recently referred to the "idiot swath who voted for George W. Bush twice and his father twice).

According to the polls, the majority of people in the country are against the war and against the President.

Why do you hate America, hondo?

Well played, Ace.

 

[hondo]

The irony is that radical fundamentalist Christians from the Deep South are as dangerous to traditional North Amrerican values as the radical Muslims that Hondo is railing against.

What's the current body count charged against fundamentalist Christians from the deep South? They behead anyone lately?

 

[hondo]

But in light of the fact that polls of Muslims in the U.S. identify themselves as Muslims first and Americans second, I'm only wonder how Mr. Ellison will vote on key issues. I haven't even passed any judgment on him or his religious beliefs. The good people of his district have spoken. Unlike many liberals, who disparage people for voting their conscience when they vote Republican, I won't question someone's right to vote for whom they want. (One poster on another thread on SportsJournalists.com recently referred to the "idiot swath who voted for George W. Bush twice and his father twice).

According to the polls, the majority of people in the country are against the war and against the President.

Why do you hate America, hondo?

apples and oranges

 

[Ace]

But in light of the fact that polls of Muslims in the U.S. identify themselves as Muslims first and Americans second, I'm only wonder how Mr. Ellison will vote on key issues. I haven't even passed any judgment on him or his religious beliefs. The good people of his district have spoken. Unlike many liberals, who disparage people for voting their conscience when they vote Republican, I won't question someone's right to vote for whom they want. (One poster on another thread on SportsJournalists.com recently referred to the "idiot swath who voted for George W. Bush twice and his father twice).

According to the polls, the majority of people in the country are against the war and against the President.

Why do you hate America, hondo?

apples and oranges

Wrong. You seem unable to see differences among Muslims. Why, then, should you see differences among Americans?

 

[Chuck~Taylor]

Sorry to delay, but I have a real job....

In answer to one question, yes I have a problem with politicans claiming to be devout Catholics but who support abortion rights. However, I give them credit for representing their constituents (Teddy Kennedy springs to mind).

But in light of the fact that polls of Muslims in the U.S. identify themselves as Muslims first and Americans second, I'm only wonder how Mr. Ellison will vote on key issues. I haven't even passed any judgment on him or his religious beliefs. The good people of his district have spoken. Unlike many liberals, who disparage people for voting their conscience when they vote Republican, I won't question someone's right to vote for whom they want. (One poster on another thread on SportsJournalists.com recently referred to the "idiot swath who voted for George W. Bush twice and his father twice).

Simple question: Will Ellison remain true to the stances he took on his web site and during the campaign, or will he vote on the basis of his faith?

That's not a question that is critical of Muslims in any way. Only asking a question.

Hold up, hold up, hold up. What kind of question is that? That's like asking which one of your sons do you love the most. Islam isn't a race. It isn't a country. It's a religion. I'm not an American first and Muslim second nor am I a Muslim first or an American second. I'm an American Muslim.

 

[JR]

The irony is that radical fundamentalist Christians from the Deep South are as dangerous to traditional North Amrerican values as the radical Muslims that Hondo is railing against.

What's the current body count charged against fundamentalist Christians from the deep South? They behead anyone lately?

Once again, learn to read.

The "if-they-weren't-so-dangerous-they'd-be-hilarious" Bible Thumpers who want to force their narrow and distorted view of Christianity on everyone --in the schools, in the government--are as committed to a vision of a theocractic society as the radical Muslims. They will destroy the values of a secular, mostly tolerant North American society.

When you get dingbats who want to give ID equal education time with Darwinian theory, you know the loonie fundamentalist rabble has a foot in the door.

 

[RedSmithClone]

Let's see if a Muslim Democrat will toe the Nancy Pelosi line on equality for women, gay rights, gay marriage and freedom of choice.

And you could ask the same question of a conservative Catholic Democrat.

Speaking of Democrats, why does Fredo reinforce the impression that he's an ignorant redneck by referring to the "Democrat Party" in his press conference?

I mean I can see yokels like Yawn et al around here making that mistake, but the ****ing President of the United States?

You know it's funny youmention the Democrat Party thing, when I heard that during his presser I started laughing and said to myself "oh **** JR will be on the board ranting about this."

 

[hondo]

The irony is that radical fundamentalist Christians from the Deep South are as dangerous to traditional North Amrerican values as the radical Muslims that Hondo is railing against.

still haven't answered the question. Body count, please, from southern fundamentalist Christians.


What's the current body count charged against fundamentalist Christians from the deep South? They behead anyone lately?

Once again, learn to read.

The "if-they-weren't-so-dangerous-they'd-be-hilarious" Bible Thumpers who want to force their narrow and distorted view of Christianity on everyone --in the schools, in the government--are as committed to a vision of a theocractic society as the radical Muslims. They will destroy the values of a secular, mostly tolerant North American society.

When you get dingbats who want to give ID equal education time with Darwinian theory, you know the loonie fundamentalist rabble has a foot in the door.