Is Larry Johnson racist?

[jay_christley]

Or did he just make racist comments?
Heard about his interview on WEEI this morning. Couldn't find anything until I did a google search and came up with Wednesday's KC Star (from Jeffrey Flanagan's column).

“I think so. I could relate to Herman. I couldn’t do that with the other coaches I had because they had not done it. You know, they haven’t put those pads or they haven’t been in the situation as a young black athlete and know what we had to go through.

“You know, when we go out, you know, we like to go out. You know, we like to hang out. We like to have fun. But then you got to worry about the guy around the corner with the gun. You got to worry about this girl on the block. You got to worry about, you know, your parents. You got to worry about your homeboys taking advantage of you.

“There’s so much things you got to worry about being a young black athlete. And to be able to have a father like mine and have a coach like Herm, I was able to escape a lot of those realities and find myself in a new ray of light.”

Couple thoughs ...
(a) Why isn't a bigger deal being made of this? I know it's KC vs. NYC, but I find these comments far more compelling than Strahan's tantrum. Yet, I didn't see any headlines on TWWL.
[I also hope I'm not D_Bing this, but I didn't see this anywhere else in a quick glance].

(b) LJ went to pasty white Happy Valley (86 % caucasian and 3 % black are the numbers I heard) and seemed to run just fine for Joe Pa.

(c) What would the outcry be is a white QB came out and said he tuned out his black head coach because there's no way the guy can relate to him?

(d) Does Jay Whit have this corner locked down too? Can't wait to read Scoop's take.

Thoughts?

 

[bigpern23]

Re: Is Larry Johnson racists?

I think it's natural that he's able to relate to Herm better than JoePa or his other white coaches. It sounds like they have similar life experiences, so I don't see a problem with what he's saying, and I don't consider it racist.

That said, a white athlete who says he can't relate to his black coach would certainly be excoriated in the press.

 

[Lester Bangs]

I don't think a white guy would be hammered for this -- though the constant debate over "could a white guy say this without repercussions" is among the most banal this site draws out. He's essentially saying a universal truth that we see in action in society everywhere in that people often relate better to -- and are drawn more to -- people of their own race. We can debate why it is, but it's hard to argue against. He's not saying he would not/could not play for a white coach, just that he feels more comfortable with a black coach.

If anything, it gives insight into Johnson's mindset and, perhaps, that of other players. They are being told what to do and criticized by a bunch of white guys, many of whom have never worn the uniform and certainly were never black, young and wealthy. Why should they listen to what's being said when they don't think the person saying it has any respect/understanding for them and their situation?

I think it's total bull**** -- play football and STFU -- but I get it.

 

[Ralph Waldo Henderson]

I get it too, and can see Johnson's point. But I do recall that Herman Edwards himself didn't seem to have much problem playing for his white coach in Philadelphia ... **** Vermeil.

The other thing is bottom line, you're not supposed to "relate" to your coach, you're supposed to win for him.

 

[outofplace]

Johnson also complained about the coaching staff at Penn State when he was there and had issues with **** Vermeil (who once made a reference to Johnson needing to stop wearing diapers or something to that effect).

I assume he ended up at Penn State despite the lilly-whiteness of State College because his father was an assistant coach there. I think the elder Johnson is still on Paterno's staff.

And let's face it. Black public figures can get away with race-related comments that no white public figure could ever get away with.

That said, my problem with Johnson's comments isn't that I see them as racist. He says he relates better to Herman Edwards because he believes they have more in common than he had with past coaches. And they probably do.

I don't care for the, "Poor me. Nobody else ever understood me" aspect of what Johnson said, but that's nothing new for him. He's never been shy about complaining about one thing or another.

 

[writing irish]

Nothing racist about Johnson's comments, IMO. Of course shared experience is something for which there's no substitute.

If Johsnon was funny when he complained, he'd probably be a lot more popular. A little wit goes a long way when you're making a point...an unfair dynamic, perhaps, but that's reality.

 

[Lester Bangs]

He's never been shy about complaining about one thing or another.

Which makes him no different than the vast majority of America's college students, no matter their heritage.

 

[outofplace]

He's never been shy about complaining about one thing or another.

Which makes him no different than the vast majority of America's college students, no matter their heritage.

Not to mention more than a few of us in the professional world. Not that journalists ever complain about anything....

 

[XXXX]

there was nothing at all that is racist in this. all he does is say young black athlete, and from what i can see herm was just that at one point.

 

[mocheeks10]

He actually had his share of problems with Paterno. Johnson ripped the offense after a game one time, and Paterno basically buried him for a year and a half. Then he ran for 2,000 yards when he finally did get on the field, as a senior.

There was one game that year that Penn State led handily in the fourth quarter, and Paterno pulled him. Johnson was pissed, because he had 184 yards, and wanted to get 200. So Paterno put him back in the game for one carry, just to see if he could break one. He did not, and he pulled him again.

I interviewed Johnson about that game well after the season, and mentioned that Paterno did at least give him a shot to get his 200. Johnson's reply: "Yeah, but I had to blow him to get it." That's verbatim.

Always struck me as a very angry kid. Which also explains his domestic-violence issues.

 

[D.Sanchez]

Racist, no. Slightly bigoted, yes. Big difference.

 

[da man]

He actually had his share of problems with Paterno. Johnson ripped the offense after a game one time, and Paterno basically buried him for a year and a half. Then he ran for 2,000 yards when he finally did get on the field, as a senior.

There was one game that year that Penn State led handily in the fourth quarter, and Paterno pulled him. Johnson was pissed, because he had 184 yards, and wanted to get 200. So Paterno put him back in the game for one carry, just to see if he could break one. He did not, and he pulled him again.

I interviewed Johnson about that game well after the season, and mentioned that Paterno did at least give him a shot to get his 200. Johnson's reply: "Yeah, but I had to blow him to get it." That's verbatim.

Always struck me as a very angry kid. Which also explains his domestic-violence issues.

Yeah, watching from afar -- I have never covered Johnson or any of his teams -- he comes across very much as the Angry Young Man, always looking to for some perceived slight to get pissed off about. Again, just an outsider's perspective, but he has always seemed to me like the proverbial powder keg, a bomb that could explode at any moment. While it's probably unfair, he's one of those guys that, if he ends up in jail on some serious charge someday, it won't surprise me.

 

[heyabbott]

I think it's natural that he's able to relate to Herm better than JoePa or his other white coaches. It sounds like they have similar life experiences, so I don't see a problem with what he's saying, and I don't consider it racist.

That said, a white athlete who says he can't relate to his black coach would certainly be excoriated in the press.

If Peyton Manning said it about Dungy, he'd never see a dime of endorsement money, would be sliced, diced and pureed by the national media, would be called a racist, at the very least. Unless of course Peyton could prove his great great great grandmother got nailed by Ken Norton's great great great Grandfather.

 

[jay_christley]

To be fair, he was asked if he related better to Herm because he was black.
It's not like he just threw it out there in a random, locker room interview.

I just can't imagine a white guy saying, "you know, I can't see sending my kid to play at Washington for Coach Willingham, because Tyrone's not going to be able to understand what it's going to be like for me to go to the country club and have to deal with the jokes from my friends about playing my son playing for a black coach" and not getting roasted.

I also find it interesting that there's nary a peep about this, while Strahan's comments get put into heavy rotation on ESPN News.
Again, there's a lot of reasons for this. I just find it interesting.

BTW, I agree with the notion that you don't have to relate for your coach (or boss). You've got to play (work) for him. That's why you're getting paid. You don't need to be friends with your superiors to get your job done.

 

[joe]

Larry Johnson, a modern-day Jim Brown. Without the same social situation Brown faced.

 

[heyabbott]

Larry Johnson, a modern-day Jim Brown. Without the same social situation Brown faced.

The same Larry Johnson that beat his former girlfriend? 2 prior arrests for domestic violence. Much more like Jim Brown? Wasn't his ex-girlfriend white, the one he allegedly beat on? Maybe he's got some latent hostility against white folks

 

[Chuck~Taylor]

I think it's natural that he's able to relate to Herm better than JoePa or his other white coaches. It sounds like they have similar life experiences, so I don't see a problem with what he's saying, and I don't consider it racist.

That said, a white athlete who says he can't relate to his black coach would certainly be excoriated in the press.

If Peyton Manning said it about Dungy, he'd never see a dime of endorsement money, would be sliced, diced and pureed by the national media, would be called a racist, at the very least. Unless of course Peyton could prove his great great great grandmother got nailed by Ken Norton's great great great Grandfather.

Yeah, but you have to take into context that minorities go through different experiances in life. Some just feel more comfortable with someone that they can relate to. That dosn't mean he hates playing for a white coach.

 

[DisembodiedOwlHead]

The follow-up question should have been to ask Johnson to elaborate on his attempts to relate to his former white coaches.... I think it's pretty easy to fail to relate if you didn't make an effort.

 

[shotglass]

Yeah, watching from afar -- I have never covered Johnson or any of his teams -- he comes across very much as the Angry Young Man, always looking to for some perceived slight to get pissed off about.

If someone in our office mentions "The Angry Young Man," everyone knows who's he talking about. Nothing else needs to be said.

Think he smiled twice in his Penn State career.

 

[Chef]

Yeah, watching from afar -- I have never covered Johnson or any of his teams -- he comes across very much as the Angry Young Man, always looking to for some perceived slight to get pissed off about.

If someone in our office mentions "The Angry Young Man," everyone knows who's he talking about. Nothing else needs to be said.

Think he smiled twice in his Penn State career.

That's why it's called "Grumpy Valley"