A job creation plan

[deskslave]

It's almost like, and I say almost because I know it can't possibly be true, but it's almost like they don't actually want to give people jobs at all. But again, that can't possibly be true.

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

Man, if only people would dress better, Gannett wouldn't have to lay so many off.

 

[Azrael]

Wolverines!

Job Creators!

 

[YankeeFan]

No government plan will be a solution for people who can't/won't do the majority of the things on my list.

And, if you're waiting for a government plan to help you find work, you're probably not the kind of person who will be helped by it.

Your list has nothing to do with the subject in hand.

It's not "How does little Johnny find a job?" but about "How do governments come up with economic plans to create jobs?"

I understand. But, since governments have never shown an ability to come up with an economic plan to create jobs, it's far better for people to spend their mental energy on their own situation and not hope for a government fix to the problem.

Are there examples of successful "jobs bills"?

 

[Stitch]

No government plan will be a solution for people who can't/won't do the majority of the things on my list.

And, if you're waiting for a government plan to help you find work, you're probably not the kind of person who will be helped by it.

Your list has nothing to do with the subject in hand.

It's not "How does little Johnny find a job?" but about "How do governments come up with economic plans to create jobs?"

I understand. But, since governments have never shown an ability to come up with an economic plan to create jobs, it's far better for people to spend their mental energy on their own situation and not hope for a government fix to the problem.

Are there examples of successful "jobs bills"?

Defense budgets in the '50s, '60s and '80s.

 

[Azrael]

Seriously?

How successful was the TVA?

 

[YankeeFan]

Defense budgets in the '50s, '60s and '80s.

Seriously?

How successful was the TVA?

Forgive me.

If the government wants to buy/consume/purchase a bunch of stuff -- like defense -- or employee people themselves, they surely can "creat jobs".

Has the government shown an ability to create private sector jobs where they are not consuming the the goods produced by those jobs?

Because we're not talking about creating a new TVA or a defense build up. That's not the conversation.

We're taking about "stimulus", tax rates/breaks, education spending/retraining, "infrastructure", "quantitative easing", unemployment payments, home heating assistance, etc.

Nancy Pelosi has told us that extending unemployment payments creates jobs.

What I see discussed is a lot of spending that will do little or nothing to create long term jobs growth.

 

[Azrael]

Do you have any idea how many private-sector jobs and how much private-sector wealth was created over the last 8 decades by bringing electricity ("infrastructure") to the Tennessee River valley?

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

Do you have any idea how many private-sector jobs and how much private-sector wealth was created over the last 8 decades by bringing electricity ("infrastructure") to the Tennessee River valley?

Half as many as by people who returned their phone messages?

 

[YankeeFan]

Do you have any idea how many private-sector jobs and how much private-sector wealth was created over the last 8 decades by bringing electricity ("infrastructure") to the Tennessee River valley?

OK, so the TVA brought a region into the 20th Century.

I'm guessing they would have eventually electrified, one way or the other, so some of that wealth would have been created either way.

But sure, some projects deserve federal funding. The interstate highway system probably spurred more economic expansion than anything else the government has done.

(You'll probably raise ARPANET again, but it's not like ARPANET was conceived as a "jobs program".)

If we're talking about infrastructure one scale of the interstate highway system, lay it on me.

Instead, we're talking about highway exits that will benefit specific developer (and political donors).

Or, we're talking about "high speed" rail from Tampa to Orlando or from Chicago to St. Louis, neither of which will create jobs, or revolutionize how business and commerce is done.

In fact, they'll likely need to be subsidized.

 

[Azrael]

In fact, they'll likely need to be subsidized.

You mean in exactly the same way commercial airlines have always been subsidized by government?

Or farming? Or logging? Or dairy production?

 

[printdust]

My wife went into medical coding. Got two years training and great money, until her job was exported the hell to Bombay. Now she has 20 years of medical/clerical and no degree. Not because of her performance, but because India and other places can pay four or more times less. Just like you journalists, if these corporates could get monkeys to do the work, monkeys would drive the economy.

 

[LongTimeListener]

My wife went into medical coding. Got two years training and great money, until her job was exported the hell to Bombay. Now she has 20 years of medical/clerical and no degree. Not because of her performance, but because India and other places can pay four or more times less. Just like you journalists, if these corporates could get monkeys to do the work, monkeys would drive the economy.

Obviously her thank-you-note-writing skills are lacking.

 

[YankeeFan]

My wife went into medical coding. Got two years training and great money, until her job was exported the hell to Bombay. Now she has 20 years of medical/clerical and no degree. Not because of her performance, but because India and other places can pay four or more times less. Just like you journalists, if these corporates could get monkeys to do the work, monkeys would drive the economy.

Obviously her thank-you-note-writing skills are lacking.

Our economy is fluid. Always has been.

I used to be a commodities floor trader. Not a lot of them left.

I'm not unsympathetic to Print's wife, but you have to prepare for this.

20 years is a good run -- a lot more than I had as a floor trader.

 

[Stitch]

What about Michelle Bachmann not ruling out a lower minimum wage if she were elected? Yep, that's the problem with this country, high wages to work a sub shop.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bachman-in-fla-says-she-wont-rule-out-minimum-wage-changes-as-overall-plan-to-create-jobs/2011/08/26/gIQAGrSzgJ_story.html

 

[Starman]

What about Michelle Bachmann not ruling out a lower minimum wage if she were elected? Yep, that's the problem with this country, high wages to work a sub shop.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bachman-in-fla-says-she-wont-rule-out-minimum-wage-changes-as-overall-plan-to-create-jobs/2011/08/26/gIQAGrSzgJ_story.html

They pay the coolies in Bangladesh 10 cents a day and a cup of rotten rice. Gotta compete in the global labor market. Why don't we just forget the "wages" altogether and go with the rotten rice?

 

[J Staley]

What about Michelle Bachmann not ruling out a lower minimum wage if she were elected? Yep, that's the problem with this country, high wages to work a sub shop.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bachman-in-fla-says-she-wont-rule-out-minimum-wage-changes-as-overall-plan-to-create-jobs/2011/08/26/gIQAGrSzgJ_story.html

Of course. That way she can create tons of jobs. Everybody will have to work three jobs. What a country!

Then the corporate big wigs can rake in six-figure bonuses for reducing costs.

 

[ifilus]

Go to school. Get good grades. Go to a good college.

Find part time work from a young age -- teens.

Don't get arrested.

Do drink/do drugs.

Don't have a child or father a child before your education is complete.

Learn practical skills.

Learn a foreign language.

Get internships.

Network.

Find a mentor.

Show up on time every day, for every job you ever have.

Don't take (excessive/unnecessary) sick days.

Dress appropriately.

Work hard.

Show initiative.

Ask people for work.

Don't miss deadlines.

Answer your phone calls, return your messages.

Reply to your email in a timely fashion.

Write hand written thank you notes/letters.

Be the kind of person people want to be around -- smile, laugh, help people.

Ask people to refer you.

To be sure, this country needs more drunks and stoners!

 

[BrianGriffin]

YF -- all of those ideas are great personal advice. Not a one of them helps grow the economy.

Wrong.

Unemployment is a problem.

Yet, companies that want to grow still can't find good, reliable, skilled, employees.

You've latched on to this as the primary reason for high unemployment? There is a structural element to our unemployment numbers, but it's not the primary reason for those numbers.

 

[Stitch]

Nope, unemployment is strictly the fault of the jobless, or that's what the Kochs and others funding tea party groups want the oppressed white middle class to think.