A job creation plan

[Stitch]

Sen. John ***ven (R-ND) said the rest of the country needs to follow North Dakota's example. Of course, that's ignoring the fact that North Dakota's boom is due to being over oil, which neither Republicans or Democrats can take credit for. Plus, North Dakota's existing population is too small to serve the oil industry's needs, leading to a growing economy.

http://www.thedickinsonpress.com/event/article/id/50760/

My question for ***ven is how can you grown the economy is states that don't sit on oil or natural gas? The sad thing in North Dakota is millions of gallons of natural gas is flamed off because there isn't infrastructure in place to capture and transport it.

 

[YankeeFan]

Go to school. Get good grades. Go to a good college.

Find part time work from a young age -- teens.

Don't get arrested.

Do drink/do drugs.

Don't have a child or father a child before your education is complete.

Learn practical skills.

Learn a foreign language.

Get internships.

Network.

Find a mentor.

Show up on time every day, for every job you ever have.

Don't take (excessive/unnecessary) sick days.

Dress appropriately.

Work hard.

Show initiative.

Ask people for work.

Don't miss deadlines.

Answer your phone calls, return your messages.

Reply to your email in a timely fashion.

Write hand written thank you notes/letters.

Be the kind of person people want to be around -- smile, laugh, help people.

Ask people to refer you.

 

[Lanky]

I like Radiohead's version better:

Fitter, happier
more productive
comfortable
not drinking too much
regular exercise at the gym (3 days a week)
getting on better with your associate employee contemporaries
at ease
eating well (no more microwave dinners and saturated fats)
a patient better driver
a safer car (baby smiling in back seat)
sleeping well (no bad dreams)
no paranoia
careful to all animals (never washing spiders down the plughole)
keep in contact with old friends (enjoy a drink now and then)
will frequently check credit at (moral) bank (hole in wall)
favours for favours
fond but not in love
charity standing orders
on sundays ring road supermarket
(no killing moths or putting boiling water on the ants)
car wash (also on sundays)
no longer afraid of the dark
or midday shadows
nothing so ridiculously teenage and desperate
nothing so childish
at a better pace
slower and more calculated
no chance of escape
now self-employed
concerned (but powerless)
an empowered and informed member of society (pragmatism not idealism)
will not cry in public
less chance of illness
tires that grip in the wet (shot of baby strapped in back seat)
a good memory
still cries at a good film
still kisses with saliva
no longer empty and frantic
like a cat
tied to a stick
that's driven into
frozen winter **** (the ability to laugh at weakness)
calm
fitter, healthier and more productive
a pig
in a cage
on antibiotics

 

[LongTimeListener]

YF -- all of those ideas are great personal advice. Not a one of them helps grow the economy.

 

[YankeeFan]

YF -- all of those ideas are great personal advice. Not a one of them helps grow the economy.

Wrong.

Unemployment is a problem.

Yet, companies that want to grow still can't find good, reliable, skilled, employees.

 

[Stitch]

YF -- all of those ideas are great personal advice. Not a one of them helps grow the economy.

Wrong.

Unemployment is a problem.

Yet, companies that want to grow still can't find good, reliable, skilled, employees.

It's because those loser bosses won't let them text or be on Facebook for their entire shift. Plus, they want you to dress nice, not to be late, to show up and be a good co-worker. That just plain sucks.

 

[LongTimeListener]

YF -- all of those ideas are great personal advice. Not a one of them helps grow the economy.

Wrong.

Unemployment is a problem.

Yet, companies that want to grow still can't find good, reliable, skilled, employees.

In what industry? There is much talk of that in high-tech, but when companies say there's a lack of available talent, what they usually mean is there's a lack of available talent that's willing to work at indentured servant rates and so they need more H1B visas. Beyond the tech industry, though, there's no shortage of skilled labor.

 

[CarltonBanks]

YF -- all of those ideas are great personal advice. Not a one of them helps grow the economy.

Wrong.

Unemployment is a problem.

Yet, companies that want to grow still can't find good, reliable, skilled, employees.

It's because those loser bosses won't let them text or be on Facebook for their entire shift. Plus, they want you to dress nice, not to be late, to show up and be a good co-worker. That just plain sucks.

Yeah, what kind of **** is that? Then they pick on you if you don't kiss their ass all the time.

 

[YankeeFan]

YF -- all of those ideas are great personal advice. Not a one of them helps grow the economy.

Wrong.

Unemployment is a problem.

Yet, companies that want to grow still can't find good, reliable, skilled, employees.

In what industry? There is much talk of that in high-tech, but when companies say there's a lack of available talent, what they usually mean is there's a lack of available talent that's willing to work at indentured servant rates and so they need more H1B visas. Beyond the tech industry, though, there's no shortage of skilled labor.

Talk to any small business owner.

An employee is an investment. So many don't work out, that it's a losing investment.

 

[LongTimeListener]

YF -- all of those ideas are great personal advice. Not a one of them helps grow the economy.

Wrong.

Unemployment is a problem.

Yet, companies that want to grow still can't find good, reliable, skilled, employees.

In what industry? There is much talk of that in high-tech, but when companies say there's a lack of available talent, what they usually mean is there's a lack of available talent that's willing to work at indentured servant rates and so they need more H1B visas. Beyond the tech industry, though, there's no shortage of skilled labor.

Talk to any small business owner.

An employee is an investment. So many don't work out, that it's a losing investment.

There is no way for you to prove this and no way for me to refute it. But it's off-point anyway. Let's say we have a million industrious young people open a million sandwich shops or delivery businesses or what have you. Or they show up certified as hard-working from the SBA and the BBB.

My question is: Where do they go? And where is the consumer spending that will support them?

Back to the point of the posting, North Dakota is not swimming in cash because the people there are inherently harder-working. They are swimming in cash because they have oil. In a macro sense, how can jobs be created where there isn't oil?

 

[Stitch]

YF -- all of those ideas are great personal advice. Not a one of them helps grow the economy.

Wrong.

Unemployment is a problem.

Yet, companies that want to grow still can't find good, reliable, skilled, employees.

In what industry? There is much talk of that in high-tech, but when companies say there's a lack of available talent, what they usually mean is there's a lack of available talent that's willing to work at indentured servant rates and so they need more H1B visas. Beyond the tech industry, though, there's no shortage of skilled labor.

Talk to any small business owner.

An employee is an investment. So many don't work out, that it's a losing investment.

There is no way for you to prove this and no way for me to refute it. But it's off-point anyway. Let's say we have a million industrious young people open a million sandwich shops or delivery businesses or what have you. Or they show up certified as hard-working from the SBA and the BBB.

My question is: Where do they go? And where is the consumer spending that will support them?

Back to the point of the posting, North Dakota is not swimming in cash because the people there are inherently harder-working. They are swimming in cash because they have oil. In a macro sense, how can jobs be created where there isn't oil?

That's where ***ven didn't have an answer, except the U.S. needs a better energy policy. The problem is you can't just set up an oil well everywhere. It's a NIMBY situation with oil and gas.

 

[JR]

Go to school. Get good grades. Go to a good college.

Find part time work from a young age -- teens.

Don't get arrested.

Do drink/do drugs.

Don't have a child or father a child before your education is complete.

Learn practical skills.

Learn a foreign language.

Get internships.

Network.

Find a mentor.

Show up on time every day, for every job you ever have.

Don't take (excessive/unnecessary) sick days.

Dress appropriately.

Work hard.

Show initiative.

Ask people for work.

Don't miss deadlines.

Answer your phone calls, return your messages.

Reply to your email in a timely fashion.

Write hand written thank you notes/letters.

Be the kind of person people want to be around -- smile, laugh, help people.

Ask people to refer you.

You forgot, "Play nice with others"

YF, that's not an economic plan. That's a bunch of well-meaning platitudes.

 

[YankeeFan]

No government plan will be a solution for people who can't/won't do the majority of the things on my list.

And, if you're waiting for a government plan to help you find work, you're probably not the kind of person who will be helped by it.

 

[JR]

No government plan will be a solution for people who can't/won't do the majority of the things on my list.

And, if you're waiting for a government plan to help you find work, you're probably not the kind of person who will be helped by it.

Your list has nothing to do with the subject in hand.

It's not "How does little Johnny find a job?" but about "How do governments come up with economic plans to create jobs?"

 

[Ace]

YankeeFan,

Can you get me a job at the Plain Dealer?

I'll write you a thank-you note.

Promise.

Oh, I don't have any practical skills (I am a journalist) but I can compensate by drinking heavily.

 

[J Staley]

My parents have been small business owners, so I think there's something to the point about the quality of workers.

At the same time, companies often don't invest in the quality people.

Maybe the newspaper business serves as a poor example of this, but a couple months ago I returned to work at the paper where I had my first job after college. I had started working there the first time in 2003. Three years later I got a job in a bigger market and left in good standing.

One closed paper, and a layoff from another paper later, I returned to my first stop. The offer that paper made me in June was less than what it offered me, if you adjust for inflation, in 2003. I told them that, and asked for more money. I actually thought I had a good argument; their offer didn't take my experience into account. But they wouldn't or couldn't budge, and I took it anyway because I was freelancing and fed up with call center-type jobs.

YF seems to make the common Republican assumption that if you are worthy, you will have a good job and be a financial success, therefore if you don't have those things you must not be worthy.

There might be fewer quality workers now, but, if so, I think they people have been shaped that way by a lot of factors. An artificially inflated sense of entitlement is probably one. But so the experience of seeing friends and family members getting treated badly at work.

Ultimately I think that if the business world invested more in America and its people, they would get better returns from them.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

My parents have been small business owners, so I think there's something to the point about the quality of workers.

At the same time, companies often don't invest in the quality people.

Maybe the newspaper business serves as a poor example of this, but a couple months ago I returned to work at the paper where I had my first job after college. I had started working there the first time in 2003. Three years later I got a job in a bigger market and left in good standing.

One closed paper, and a layoff from another paper later, I returned to my first stop. The offer that paper made me in June was less than what it offered me, if you adjust for inflation, in 2003. I told them that, and asked for more money. I actually thought I had a good argument; their offer didn't take my experience into account. But they wouldn't or couldn't budge, and I took it anyway because I was freelancing and fed up with call center-type jobs.

YF seems to make the common Republican assumption that if you are worthy, you will have a good job and be a financial success, therefore if you don't have those things you must not be worthy.

There might be fewer quality workers now, but, if so, I think they people have been shaped that way by a lot of factors. An artificially inflated sense of entitlement is probably one. But so the experience of seeing friends and family members getting treated badly at work.

Ultimately I think that if the business world invested more in America and its people, they would get better returns from them.

This.

There are plenty of people who have done exactly what YF recommends. And they still ended up on the unemployment line.

 

[baddecision]

I think you are one smart individual, Mr. or Ms. J Staley.

 

[trifectarich]

YF -- all of those ideas are great personal advice. Not a one of them helps grow the economy.

Wrong.

Unemployment is a problem.

Yet, companies that want to grow still can't find good, reliable, skilled, employees.

In what industry? There is much talk of that in high-tech, but when companies say there's a lack of available talent, what they usually mean is there's a lack of available talent that's willing to work at indentured servant rates and so they need more H1B visas. Beyond the tech industry, though, there's no shortage of skilled labor.

I disagree. You would be shocked at the number of people who can sit across the table from you in an interview and assure you that taking a pre-employment drug test is not a problem. And then that's the last time you see them.

What people do to put good jobs at risk would make your head spin.

 

[Azrael]

I thought the problem was that Job Creators (save us!) were frightened into paralysis by our MarxistLeninist Socialistical Communism President and his anti-economic policies to risk hiring anyone ever again.

At least that's what we've been told on every thread here.