Wash. Post social experiment

[spankys]

kinda cool...kinda old too, but someone just sent it to me...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721.html

 

[PeteyPirate]

It also kinda won a Pulitzer a few months back.

 

[User 4332]

It was also a stunt pulled by the Chicago Evening Post a long time before Weingarten tried it. Makes you wonder if it still would've won a Pulitzer had the committee realized. Still a great piece, though. And Weingarten's reckoning of the earlier Post story is entertaining too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/24/AR2008062401153.html?nav=emailpage

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

This thread has to be the d_b of all d_b's.
And I still ****ing hate that story.

 

[Tim Sullivan]

This was the only story I can remember reading where I assumed it would win the Pulitzer Prize halfway through. The craftsmanship and scholarship were so striking that I wrote Weingarten a fan note.

His response, as I recall, was, "Gee thanks, dude."

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Sorry, Tim.
Story was so precious it made my gorge rise, and it prompts me to use a word I almost never use: "elitist."

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do.

 

[SF_Express]

This is very strange. This is the third time in like the past week that somebody has referenced this story somewhere that I've read. Whatever you think of the idea, not sure why it's coming back to us all of the sudden.

 

[93Devil]

I was waiting to see what crowd an average musician playing popular songs would have drawn.

Too many things are wrong with this from a science standpoint.

1. His position was designed for failure. He is buy a door. He needs to be by a place where people stand. Maybe as they go on and off the train or wait to buy a ticket or food.

That right there is enough for me.

 

[zebracoy]

On the contrary, I think that's the right place for him to stand.

If he was standing in a food court or near the tracks, you wouldn't be able to judge how many people are willingly stopping to listen to him. Sure, he'd pick up a few extra bucks, but that's not the point of the experiment.

By putting him in front of the door, it's easier to see how many people deviate from their routine to stop and listen.

 

[Tim Sullivan]

Elitist? How so? Was the vocabulary beyond the grasp of average readers? Was the concept too complex to be easily understood? Did Weingarten carry on for long passages in Latin?

No. No. No.

This was an old-fashioned newspaper stunt performed by a writer of extraordinary skill with the luxury of time. In terms of writing elegance and telling detail, it reminded me of Red Smith escorting the chemistry teacher back to her Lake Placid classroom that had been turned into a media center bar during the 1980 Winter Olympics. In terms of erudition, it was worthy of Garry Wills.

But at its core was whimsy. And if that is elitist, so is Monty Python.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Elitist? How so? Was the vocabulary beyond the grasp of average readers? Was the concept too complex to be easily understood? Did Weingarten carry on for long passages in Latin?

No. No. No.

This was an old-fashioned newspaper stunt performed by a writer of extraordinary skill with the luxury of time. In terms of writing elegance and telling detail, it reminded me of Red Smith escorting the chemistry teacher back to her Lake Placid classroom that had been turned into a media center bar during the 1980 Wiinter Olympics. In terms of erudition, it was worthy of Garry Wills.

But at its core was whimsy. And if that is elitist, so is Monty Python.

The writer -- whose skill we'll debate at another time -- is a snob, pure and simple. All those Philistines, rushing to work and failing to notice the genius of a piece of classical music known to about 1000 people in the country. What a world. The piece is approximately as whimsical as a flat-iron. And Garry Wills?
Gene Weingarten couldn't be Garry Wills if you spotted him 100 IQ points and the Second Vatican Council.

 

[GBNF]

You have to be pretty damn cynical to consider that piece elitist, like you had to have gone into it with either a negative perception of 1) the writer, 2) the subject or 3) the story's status (well-received, to the point it won a Pulitzer).

I thought it was absolutely brilliant, combining openness from the subject with true prose.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

"It was a story about artistic context, priorities and the soul-numbing gallop of modernity. "
Good god.
Get over yourself.

 

[The Big Ragu]

The writer -- whose skill we'll debate at another time -- is a snob, pure and simple. All those Philistines, rushing to work and failing to notice the genius of a piece of classical music known to about 1000 people in the country. What a world. The piece is approximately as whimsical as a flat-iron. And Garry Wills?

The story was about a world-famous violinist, playing an expensive Stradivarius for spare change... and observing the reaction he got in a hub that shuttles thousands of people every day.

But you're characterization of it works, too, I guess, in a foaming-at-the-mouth sort of way.

Gene Weingarten couldn't be Garry Wills if you spotted him 100 IQ points and the Second Vatican Council.

That settles it. The piece sucked. :

You might want to wipe the spittle.

 

[93Devil]

On the contrary, I think that's the right place for him to stand.

If he was standing in a food court or near the tracks, you wouldn't be able to judge how many people are willingly stopping to listen to him. Sure, he'd pick up a few extra bucks, but that's not the point of the experiment.

By putting him in front of the door, it's easier to see how many people deviate from their routine to stop and listen.

If this was a social experiment, where was the control group?

Next time you see a street performer, take note of where they are positioned. It is always where people might stand, even if it is only for a minute or two.

 

[imjustagirl]

Next time you see a street performer, take note of where they are positioned.

The street performers I see are a couple blocks from stadiums, playing where people walk by. Not on corners, not where the lines will reach. On bridges, along walkways.

Just saying. Maybe "always" isn't your best call.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

The writer -- whose skill we'll debate at another time -- is a snob, pure and simple. All those Philistines, rushing to work and failing to notice the genius of a piece of classical music known to about 1000 people in the country. What a world. The piece is approximately as whimsical as a flat-iron. And Garry Wills?

The story was about a world-famous violinist, playing an expensive Stradivarius for spare change... and observing the reaction he got in a hub that shuttles thousands of people every day.

But you're characterization of it works, too, I guess, in a foaming-at-the-mouth sort of way.

Gene Weingarten couldn't be Garry Wills if you spotted him 100 IQ points and the Second Vatican Council.

That settles it. The piece sucked. :

You might want to wipe the spittle.

And, as long as we're back in the condescending, passive-aggressive four-year old whiny mode, you ought to learn to ****ing read.

 

[The Big Ragu]

Condescending, eh? Maybe that's because I am an "elitist."

 

[zeke12]

The dude who plays the Buckets outside the Metrodome always gets a couple bucks from me.

Carry on.