The New York Post's performance yesterday

[YGBFKM]

Journalists losing jobs isn't so bad if they work at the wrong newspapers.

 

[Versatile]

Didn't the Saudi national story turn out to be true?

The police say he was never detained. The Post reported he was taken into custody.

Did it? I'm going from memory, but I believe it said there were police outside his hospital bed.

That's some mighty fine parsing of language, but that's exactly the sort of thing police do for PR purposes in these situations. I'm guessing he wasn't taken into custody while being treated for wounds, but they weren't exactly letting him out of their sight.

Well, the Huffington Post has "into custody" in quotes when describing the New York Post's story. I don't consider either authoritative news sources, though, so perhaps the Huffington Post got it wrong.

 

[Versatile]

Enjoy the Post's reckless bull**** while you can. The Guardian makes a decent case this week that the end will be coming sooner rather than later. With the rearranging of the Murdoch empire, it's not going to be able to exist losing $80 million a year for much longer.

http://m.guardiannews.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/15/new-york-post-murdoch-plaything

Hey that is something to celebrate - a bunch of journalists losing their jobs.

So let's make sure we get the rules straight now --- journalists losing their jobs is OK if it means the closing of a publication we consider to be right wing.....

Got it.

What if the reporters can't get basic facts correct?

There is a major difference between the loss of journalism jobs and journalists losing jobs.

 

[DanOregon]

 

[JayFarrar]

When I saw the 12 number, I thought about this for a bit.

Let's say the consensus is three people dead, but the Post has a source that says, three dead, but of the 17 in critical condition, nine have been taken off life support. So three dead and nine waiting to die.

Death is quite absolute, but papers have been tripped up by that before, conflating taken off life support and, you know, death.

Reading this thread, I suspect that the 12 number was a combination of both things, a source said the number was much higher, and the paper expected more people to die.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Given the reports that were coming out of Boston it was easy to expect more than two or three people had been killed. And given the way information is instantly thrown into the news cycle with zero confirmation these days - especially in a crisis - taking that information and running with it isn't unusual either.

Basically, no number reported in the heat of the moment anymore is "wrong" unless it comes in above the final total.

That said, you shouldn't report 12 dead unless 12 are, you know, dead.

 

[Versatile]

Reading this thread, I suspect that the 12 number was a combination of both things, a source said the number was much higher, and the paper expected more people to die.

No one on this thread has revealed inside details regarding the Post's reportage.

 

[Inky_Wretch]

Does the NYP have reporters in Boston?

 

[Boom_70]

Didn't the Saudi national story turn out to be true?

The police say he was never detained. The Post reported he was taken into custody.

It was John Miller of CBS News that broke the Saudi National story that now turns out to be wrong.

Seems like there was a lot of wrong information put out. I heard Police Commissioner Davis say that The JFK library fire was a bomb.

The story that everyone was talking about was that Martin Richards went to hug his father as he finished The Marathon.
Read today that his father did not run the marathon due to a bad back.

I don't think The Post was any worse or any better than most of the news organizations.

 

[YGBFKM]

Didn't the Saudi national story turn out to be true?

The police say he was never detained. The Post reported he was taken into custody.

It John Miller of CBS News that broke the Saudi National story that now turns out to be wrong.

Seems like there was a lot of wrong information put out. I heard Police Commissioner Davis say that The JFK library fire was a bomb.

The story that everyone was talking about was that Martin Richards went to hug his father as he finished The Marathon.
Read today that his father did not run the marathon due to a bad back.

I don't think The Post was any worse or any better than most of the news organizations.

Those other news organizations aren't owned by the enemy.

 

[Boom_70]

Didn't the Saudi national story turn out to be true?

The police say he was never detained. The Post reported he was taken into custody.

It John Miller of CBS News that broke the Saudi National story that now turns out to be wrong.

Seems like there was a lot of wrong information put out. I heard Police Commissioner Davis say that The JFK library fire was a bomb.

The story that everyone was talking about was that Martin Richards went to hug his father as he finished The Marathon.
Read today that his father did not run the marathon due to a bad back.

I don't think The Post was any worse or any better than most of the news organizations.

Those other news organizations aren't owned by the enemy.

This is still a fluid situation, I urge you not to jump to conclusions

 

[Starman]

I can only think of two ways that the Post comes up with 12 dead:

1. A reporter has a federal/state of Mass source who fed this number

2. The Post suspected it'd be far worse, and 12 was on the low side.

Or, 3: They pull it completely out of their asses.

"Let's come up with a big number so we can start screaming about the moooslims coming to get us!!! Uncle Rupe will be so proud!!!!!"

Remember, we're not talking about a real newspaper here.

 

[H.L. Mencken]

Rooting against a newspaper that was rooting for more people to die, and trolling for web hits in the process.

I feel comfortable with my position.

 

[YGBFKM]

Starman and H.L.

 

[DanOregon]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/this-is-a-tragedydoes-it-really-matter-exactly-how,32076/

 

[heyabbott]

I've been fascinated by how there really are no details other than the number of dead and injured. It's almost as if authorities made a concerted effort not to tell the media anything regarding the investigation, and given the media's performance in the past decade or so, I can't say I blame them.

I can. It's public information, by law.

what law? Be specific. Where do facts uncovered in an on going criminal investigation become public information before the conclusion of the investigation?

 

[dooley_womack1]

Starman and H.L.

Nah, Starman's definitely Scott Evil.

 

[Alma]

Didn't the Saudi national story turn out to be true?

I don't think The Post was any worse or any better than most of the news organizations.

Then your standards stink. I don't care what news outlet said it or who owns the paper. There were never 12 people dead. There is no good reason to jump the gun on the number of dead people.

 

[Versatile]

Didn't the Saudi national story turn out to be true?

I don't think The Post was any worse or any better than most of the news organizations.

Then your standards stink. I don't care what news outlet said it or who owns the paper. There were never 12 people dead. There is no good reason to jump the gun on the number of dead people.

I'm not comfortable with that quote mistake.

 

[Boom_70]

Didn't the Saudi national story turn out to be true?

I don't think The Post was any worse or any better than most of the news organizations.

Then your standards stink. I don't care what news outlet said it or who owns the paper. There were never 12 people dead. There is no good reason to jump the gun on the number of dead people.

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