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When Trump brought the gun debate into the London situation, he missed some pretty obvious math. Three terrorists with a van, armed with knives, in one of the busiest spots in London, managed to kill seven people. Shortly thereafter, one guy with a pistol walked into a small Orlando factory and managed to kill five and himself.

Yet more math: One receives worldwide attention and calls for travel bans and God knows what else; the other disappears as just another mass shooting in America.
It's all what people are used to. Sadly, the people in London are more used to terror (which I'll broadly define as ideologically inspired violence against civilians) because of the Troubles and the IRA (which killed and injured far more of them than Islamists have, so far). When they had a school shooting back in the '90s, there was horror and gun laws were tightened dramatically. Here, terror freaks us out, and we shrug off mass murder. Oh, let's be real. We shrug off mass murder by white people using firearms.
 
When Trump brought the gun debate into the London situation, he missed some pretty obvious math. Three terrorists with a van, armed with knives, in one of the busiest spots in London, managed to kill seven people. Shortly thereafter, one guy with a pistol walked into a small Orlando factory and managed to kill five and himself.

Yet more math: One receives worldwide attention and calls for travel bans and God knows what else; the other disappears as just another mass shooting in America.

OK, Descartes, how about the math on the ratio of the frequency and number of Islamic terror attacks worldwide (and don't forget those same factors relative to Britain in recent weeks) to the frequency and number of mass killings by white people in the workplace across the globe? To that, one is indicative of a significant and growing threat while the other is a random tragedy. As such, when making news judgments, it's obvious which one is going to get more coverage. In this comparison, there is surprisingly little politics (literal and figurative) involved. It's a no-brainer. That's how the daily news business works. I assume it's different at magazines.
 
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Can say that every day for Planned Parenthood.

More than 800 pap smears, more than 875 breast cancer screenings, more than 11,500 STI tests, plus other health services, contraception products and education provided everyday is a busy day ...
 
More than 800 pap smears, more than 875 breast cancer screenings, more than 11,500 STI tests, plus other health services, contraception products and education provided everyday is a busy day ...

How many beating hearts stopped?
 
How many beating hearts stopped?

So how much of your paycheck should go to taxes to make sure that if we keep those hearts beating they have access to free food, money for their mothers to keep a place to live, buy them clothes and have a vehicle to drive to work?
 
So how much of your paycheck should go to taxes to make sure that if we keep those hearts beating they have access to free food, money for their mothers to keep a place to live, buy them clothes and have a vehicle to drive to work?

So you're for population control by abortion. Interesting.
 
So you're for population control by abortion. Interesting.

How the hell is being for welfare programs to help mothers care for their children being for population control by abortion? I'm merely pointing out your hypocrisy that you don't want women to get abortions but you don't want mothers to be able to buy food for their babies nor get healthcare to keep them healthy.
 
So how much of your paycheck should go to taxes to make sure that if we keep those hearts beating they have access to free food, money for their mothers to keep a place to live, buy them clothes and have a vehicle to drive to work?

Suppose he said that there should be adequate public provision of all these things ... are you contending that then it would be OK to outlaw abortion? I'm thinking not.
 
Suppose he said that there should be adequate public provision of all these things ... are you contending that then it would be OK to outlaw abortion? I'm thinking not.

To be perfectly honest, I wish we didn't have abortions. I feel it's a horrible practice that takes a gigantic toll on the mother without getting into the wider debate of when does life actually begin. I wish we provided more services for women who are pregnant and after they have their children. I wish there were better incentives for people to become adoptive parents and women received education about adoption if they don't feel like they can raise the child. I wish we didn't have to outlaw abortions, that it would just end on its own. There should always be provisions to help women in cases of rape/incest or in the event carrying the fetus to term would endanger the life of the mother.

Ultimately, we don't live in that world. As a result, abortion should be legal so if women feel it is their only option, they have a safe place to receive the procedure without undue risk to their lives and performed by a doctor who is bound to keep the woman safe and answerable to the police and the civil courts in the event something goes wrong.
 
To be perfectly honest, I wish we didn't have abortions. I feel it's a horrible practice that takes a gigantic toll on the mother without getting into the wider debate of when does life actually begin. I wish we provided more services for women who are pregnant and after they have their children. I wish there were better incentives for people to become adoptive parents and women received education about adoption if they don't feel like they can raise the child. I wish we didn't have to outlaw abortions, that it would just end on its own. There should always be provisions to help women in cases of rape/incest or in the event carrying the fetus to term would endanger the life of the mother.

Ultimately, we don't live in that world. As a result, abortion should be legal so if women feel it is their only option, they have a safe place to receive the procedure without undue risk to their lives and performed by a doctor who is bound to keep the woman safe and answerable to the police and the civil courts in the event something goes wrong.

"Only option" a million times a year. Also, abortions take a bit more of a toll on the baby.
 
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