Running MCU thread

[outofplace]

I kind of assume the answer is "multiverse bull****," to explain why Doom looks like Tony Stark. Like in one universe, Doom gets switched with Tony Stark at birth, and he becomes even more of a tyrant than Comic Book Doom or some **** like that. Because I'm assuming you don't give the bag to RDJ just to keep him behind the mask the whole time.

re: Doomsday, all the marketing and info about the movie just seems to get sweatier with each failure at Disney. I realize that could absolutely be my perception, but it's like the bricking of Live Action Moana just increases the marketing pressure on Avengers.

I think I mentioned it in passing the DC thread or another one, but Doomsday feels more like the bloated DC team-up movies to me at this point. It's hard for me to have optimism when it seems to be cast mostly with characters and actors that got big send-offs in Endgame (RDJ, Evans), or they're from another movie universe (X-Men), or the last time we saw them it was in movies that didn't pop off or nobody cares about now (Fantastic Four, Quantumania, Black Panther 2, etc.). I would be shocked if it didn't get to $500m, but as a comparison point, Rise of Skywalker just barely got over $1b because the WOM was so bad. I don't think it's crazy to think Doomsday might be in a similar boat.

In the comics, Tony Stark was adopted. That was a more recent addition to his story, but it could open the door to a reasonable explanation.

The movie is definitely bloated, but the Russo brothers did earn a little bit of trust in terms of handling a huge cast.

 

[sgreenwell]

In the comics, Tony Stark was adopted. That was a more recent addition to his story, but it could open the door to a reasonable explanation.

The movie is definitely bloated, but the Russo brothers did earn a little bit of trust in terms of handling a huge cast.

Since Endgame, they're responsible for Cherry, The Gray Man and the Electric Slate, three movies that are all probably worse bombs than Supergirl but were on streaming mostly. Maybe they'll reclaim the magic touch working on Marvel again, but I don't know. I'm pretty pessimistic and think this might beget a total Marvel redo sooner rather than later.

 

[outofplace]

Since Endgame, they're responsible for Cherry, The Gray Man and the Electric Slate, three movies that are all probably worse bombs than Supergirl but were on streaming mostly. Maybe they'll reclaim the magic touch working on Marvel again, but I don't know. I'm pretty pessimistic and think this might beget a total Marvel redo sooner rather than later.

This is Marvel's path to a redo, or at least a soft reboot. Kevin Feige has acknowledged as much. They need a way to properly fold mutants into the MCU. I think they also realize they need a new generation of stars. They want to keep making these movies, but they can't keep going back to Downey, Evans, and Hemsworth forever.

 

[sgreenwell]

This is Marvel's path to a redo, or at least a soft reboot. Kevin Feige has acknowledged as much. They need a way to properly fold mutants into the MCU. I think they also realize they need a new generation of stars. They want to keep making these movies, but they can't keep going back to Downey, Evans, and Hemsworth forever.

The budget for this movie, oof, haha. All three of those guys probably got a big lump sum to sign on, plus some points on the back end. Disney probably needs to get to $1b to even make a profit on this because of it.

 

[Meat Slapping Sound]

They aren't bringing back Tony Stark. This Downey playing Victor Von Doom. I thought they should have cast someone new, and I am curious how they will explain him looking like Stark, but it isn't bringing anyone Stark back.

I've heard some great theories as to how they are bringing back Steve Rogers.

I'm aware, but I just can't make it make sense. There's no reason to cast RDJ, the most well-known and recognizable actor in MCU history, unless you are going to somehow connect his new character (Victor Von Doom) to his old character (Tony Stark). If that's the case, that cheapens Iron Man's death in Endgame, one of the most powerful moments in the entire series.

If there is no connection, and it'll just be a coincidence that he kind of looks like the original MCU star, then they should have cast someone else. RDJ is obviously a great actor, but he isn't irreplaceable. There are tons of actors who could have done as good or better of a job with Doom.

At some point, it's just to have RDJ's name on the poster.

I'm more open to bringing Chris Evans back because he's at least, I'm assuming, playing the same character. Or the same character from a different universe.

 

[outofplace]

The budget for this movie, oof, haha. All three of those guys probably got a big lump sum to sign on, plus some points on the back end. Disney probably needs to get to $1b to even make a profit on this because of it.

No doubt. It's a massive cast, not just the big three.

 

[Meat Slapping Sound]

I'll add, I really liked how Steve Rogers's/Chris Evans's story wrapped up in Endgame, so I'm a little disappointed to see him come back. But it could be an interesting addition.

 

[outofplace]

I'm aware, but I just can't make it make sense. There's no reason to cast RDJ, the most well-known and recognizable actor in MCU history, unless you are going to somehow connect his new character (Victor Von Doom) to his old character (Tony Stark). If that's the case, that cheapens Iron Man's death in Endgame, one of the most powerful moments in the entire series.

If there is no connection, and it'll just be a coincidence that he kind of looks like the original MCU star, then they should have cast someone else. RDJ is obviously a great actor, but he isn't irreplaceable. There are tons of actors who could have done as good or better of a job with Doom.

At some point, it's just to have RDJ's name on the poster.

I'm more open to bringing Chris Evans back because he's at least, I'm assuming, playing the same character. Or the same character from a different universe.

Evans might end up playing more than one version of Steve Rogers. One fan theory is that he will be playing Hydra Cap, a reference that will make no sense to people who didn't read that storyline in the comics.

Ruining the ending of previous movies is always an issue with sequels, but it does seem to be a bigger problem in the MCU. I don't think this was the plan. I think the plan was to leave Endgame alone and go off and tell different stories in the same universe. Feature Black Panther, Spider-Man, and other heroes instead of going back to the big three. Despite a few successes, the plan has failed, and this is the result. Part of that was poor decisions, such as not building on Shang-Chi. Part of it was the tragic loss of Chadwick Boseman.

None of that matters if they can tell a good story. Ultimately, that is what matters.

Take the Ultimate Comics line as an example. They decided to replace Peter Parker with a person of color as Spider-Man. That is why they killed him off and created Miles Morales in the Ultimate line, eventually bringing Miles Morales over to the main universe. They were pushing ideology rather than doing things for story reasons, which usually leads to lousy stories. It worked because the writer created a good character and told good stories about him. It really is that simple.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

The plan was to do something as big as the last big cycle, but with a different plot and actor. They switched to Victor Von Doom because that actor had domestic violence problems.

 

[Meat Slapping Sound]

The plan was to do something as big as the last big cycle, but with a different plot and actor. They switched to Victor Von Doom because that actor had domestic violence problems.

I do sometimes forget that Kang was supposed to be the big bad at this point. I really liked the direction that was going, but I don't think the whole "multiverse" angle really connected with the larger audience the way Thanos/the infinity stones did.

And it makes sense why. One is a classic movie maguffin and the other is a convoluted quantum mechanics theory.

 

[Della9250]

I do sometimes forget that Kang was supposed to be the big bad at this point. I really liked the direction that was going, but I don't think the whole "multiverse" angle really connected with the larger audience the way Thanos/the infinity stones did.

And it makes sense why. One is a classic movie maguffin and the other is a convoluted quantum mechanics theory.

The Jonathan Majors criminal issues and the Chadwick Boseman death completely rearranged everything in a way they weren't, and shouldn't have been, expecting.

Going back to RDJ was a direct result of needing a huge splash for a villan to go away from Kang.

After the success of Black Panther, Boseman was in position to lead the new group

 

[Meat Slapping Sound]

I'm sure they considered it, but recasting Kang may have been the better option. It's pretty easy to explain that this multi-universal being may look a little different than previous versions.

Or you just don't say anything about it, ala Terrence Howard/Don Cheadle.

 

[sgreenwell]

I'm sure they considered it, but recasting Kang may have been the better option. It's pretty easy to explain that this multi-universal being may look a little different than previous versions.

Or you just don't say anything about it, ala Terrence Howard/Don Cheadle.

I wonder how seriously they considered that, but maybe backed off when they couldn't find someone or decided it was just too prominent a role to replace. Majors' behavior in the ensuing years would have made it easier to just move on from him and recast, but they seemingly didn't have the patience for that.

That being said though, I liked Loki S2 but it didn't seem to make as big of an impact as S1, and Quantumania was really baggy and the Majors' parts were some of the few that worked. I don't think the multiverse was some dynamite concept they had to go with because of audience response. (And all this being said, it kind of seems like it's still the simplest explanation for whatever the next chapter is, with a slew of legacy characters bouncing into one another. I think it'll be the reason why but my guess is that they don't really dwell on the "why" of it as much.)

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

I wonder how seriously they considered that, but maybe backed off when they couldn't find someone or decided it was just too prominent a role to replace. Majors' behavior in the ensuing years would have made it easier to just move on from him and recast, but they seemingly didn't have the patience for that.

That being said though, I liked Loki S2 but it didn't seem to make as big of an impact as S1, and Quantumania was really baggy and the Majors' parts were some of the few that worked. I don't think the multiverse was some dynamite concept they had to go with because of audience response. (And all this being said, it kind of seems like it's still the simplest explanation for whatever the next chapter is, with a slew of legacy characters bouncing into one another. I think it'll be the reason why but my guess is that they don't really dwell on the "why" of it as much.)

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[2muchcoffeeman]

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