Running MCU thread

[Scout]

I’m so ****ing pumped.

It’s clobberin time.

 

[Splendid Splinter]

Looks amazing.

 

[Scout]

I guess they must’ve been doing some editing to pull the spoilers out of Wanda Vision and Falcon and the Winter soldier because Black Widow is going to be released in the spring.

 

[Scout]

Jesus, he’s DB Cooper.

 

[outofplace]

Good idea, Scout. We have needed an MCU running thread for a while.

I'm very interested in most of the content Disney announced yesterday, but I'm also disappointed that there wasn't a single mention of the X-Men. WTF!?

 

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Spider-Man 3 Theory Says The Movie May Introduce New Defenders

Interesting theory, that the next Spider-Man sequel could introduce an MCU version of The Defenders, this one closer to the comic book version, of which Dr. Strange is a founding member.

 

[sgreenwell]

Good idea, Scout. We have needed an MCU running thread for a while.

I'm very interested in most of the content Disney announced yesterday, but I'm also disappointed that there wasn't a single mention of the X-Men. WTF!?

I kind of assume they're saving them for a "holy ****" reveal in a movie or a post-credits scene. The pandemic also could have limited their ability to get people signed to deals or shooting stuff to use for teasers. Harder to keep something secret if there are only X percent of the normal movie productions out there as normal.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

My guess is that we won’t see an X-Men MCU reboot for at least five years, and that when we do the first sign of it will be a surprise in a mid- or post-credits scene before any official announcements are made.

 

[sgreenwell]

My guess is that we won’t see an X-Men MCU reboot for at least five years, and that when we do the first sign of it will be a surprise in a mid- or post-credits scene before any official announcements are made.

Five years strikes me as way too long, especially since with the last Avengers movie, you have something of a resetting of the Marvel landscape, and less guaranteed bankables. Like I don't think Disney is going to lose their shirt on Black Widow, a third Guardians movie and The Eternals, but they all strike me as projects that don't have a ton of potential to be #1 at the box office in a given year, like an X-Men film could.

 

[outofplace]

I kind of assume they're saving them for a "holy ****" reveal in a movie or a post-credits scene. The pandemic also could have limited their ability to get people signed to deals or shooting stuff to use for teasers. Harder to keep something secret if there are only X percent of the normal movie productions out there as normal.

That makes sense, especially when you see Disney doing it elsewhere. They made all those announcements of upcoming projects but held off on one that was in the post-credits scene at the end of the season finale of The Mandalorian. Those other familiar characters who showed up in that episode show that Disney can pull off a surprise.

There have been rumors of those characters popping up in Disney+ series or the upcoming movies. A lot depends on how they want to handle it. Were mutants already present in the MCU? Do they come in from an alternate universe? Do they turn the House of M and Decimation storylines from the comics on their ear and have Wanda create them?

I'm guessing they go for something a little less bat**** and just start dropping them into different Disney+ series and movies. Maybe Ororo Monroe shows up in Black Panther 2, perhaps just a cameo in a funeral scene for T'Challa. Perhaps she ends up being a larger part of the plot. I'm guessing Falcon and the Winter Soldier is too soon for Wolverine, though I could see it if they mine some of his history with Captain America. WandaVision seems to open up some possibilities as well.

 

[outofplace]

Five years strikes me as way too long, especially since with the last Avengers movie, you have something of a resetting of the Marvel landscape, and less guaranteed bankables. Like I don't think Disney is going to lose their shirt on Black Widow, a third Guardians movie and The Eternals, but they all strike me as projects that don't have a ton of potential to be #1 at the box office in a given year, like an X-Men film could.

Agreed. That seems to be too far off.

 

[bigpern23]

That makes sense, especially when you see Disney doing it elsewhere. They made all those announcements of upcoming projects but held off on one that was in the post-credits scene at the end of the season finale of The Mandalorian. Those other familiar characters who showed up in that episode show that Disney can pull off a surprise.

There have been rumors of those characters popping up in Disney+ series or the upcoming movies. A lot depends on how they want to handle it. Were mutants already present in the MCU? Do they come in from an alternate universe? Do they turn the House of M and Decimation storylines from the comics on their ear and have Wanda create them?

I'm guessing they go for something a little less bat**** and just start dropping them into different Disney+ series and movies. Maybe Ororo Monroe shows up in Black Panther 2, perhaps just a cameo in a funeral scene for T'Challa. Perhaps she ends up being a larger part of the plot. I'm guessing Falcon and the Winter Soldier is too soon for Wolverine, though I could see it if they mine some of his history with Captain America. WandaVision seems to open up some possibilities as well.

I’ll give it a shot because it’s the MCU, but WandaVision looks like a steaming pile of crap.

 

[outofplace]

I’ll give it a shot because it’s the MCU, but WandaVision looks like a steaming pile of crap.

It looks weird, but I'm giving it a shot for the same reason. I'm hoping they don't spend too much time with the sitcom stuff, that it is just a red herring leading up to more of a mystery/action story. I buy into the speculation that Kathryn Hahn's character, Agness, is actually Agatha Harkness, which would tie more into the magical parts of Wanda's character.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

I’ll give it a shot because it’s the MCU, but WandaVision looks like a steaming pile of crap.

WandaVision is going to have a big swerve right in the middle of its run that’s going to completely turn the series on its ear.

 

[sgreenwell]

WandaVision is going to have a big swerve right in the middle of its run that’s going to completely turn the series on its ear.

Yeah - I kind of assume that WandaVision, if anything, is going to be the Mr. Robot of the Marvel universe. Given all of the weird **** she's done in the comics, there are tons of repercussions that she could have on the Marvel cinematic universe at large, from serving as a catalyst for mutants to simply reintroducing the infinity stones in some way to new people.

 

[outofplace]

Yeah - I kind of assume that WandaVision, if anything, is going to be the Mr. Robot of the Marvel universe. Given all of the weird **** she's done in the comics, there are tons of repercussions that she could have on the Marvel cinematic universe at large, from serving as a catalyst for mutants to simply reintroducing the infinity stones in some way to new people.

That's the other reason I'm going to end up watching the entire series. I think it is going to have a big impact on the overall MCU storyline going forward. It will definitely set up Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. I'm guessing it will affect the upcoming Spider-Man sequel as well since that seems like it is going to be an MCU take on Spider-Verse.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

Yeah - I kind of assume that WandaVision, if anything, is going to be the Mr. Robot of the Marvel universe. Given all of the weird **** she's done in the comics, there are tons of repercussions that she could have on the Marvel cinematic universe at large, from serving as a catalyst for mutants to simply reintroducing the infinity stones in some way to new people.

When I think of how to introduce mutants and the X-Men to the MCU, I go back not to the original version but the version that was in Ultimate Marvel (the reboot of classic titles for a new, younger audience).

Spoiler: Ultimate X-Men and maybe the MCU

In Ultimate Marvel, one of the key plot points was that mutants popping up everywhere didn’t spontaneously happen; there were a tiny number but they mostly faded into the general population. After Captain America was lost in a glacier, the U.S., NATO and S.H.I.E.L.D. were trying very hard to recreate that program but of course had lost the formula and the scientist. They started playing with DNA from some soldiers — a hairy ******* from Canada named James Howlett, a black man from the United States, and another American soldier named Fisk.

Wolverine, Nick Fury and the Kingpin’s grandfather.

Magneto wasn’t a concentration camp survivor; his parents were scientists at the Weapon X facility in the far Canadian north. Related experiments later got them the Fantastic Four and the Hulk. Everything revolved around trying to recreate the super-soldier formula with Wolverine’s blood.

That would tie in with some previous themes we’ve seen in the MCU — Nick Fury’s secrets have secrets, after all, and nobody really knows what SHIELD is up to (including SHIELD).

 

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EDIT: just saw this.:



who knows.

 

[Elliotte Friedman]

Im really looking forward to Wanda Vision....the early reviews are good and I think we will be pleasantly surprised. The early promos are upbeat and fun. No way that lasts. Not with her character history.