Yeah, I've had it on. I like the format that you lose money if you don't win skins.
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Yeah, I've had it on. I like the format that you lose money if you don't win skins.
Colt Knost replaces Ian Baker-Finch in the CBS booth.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/co...tSrWcSDmRiZ2noBTrk_aem_o3as5LhptwkfKQpF27-4-A
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/co...tSrWcSDmRiZ2noBTrk_aem_o3as5LhptwkfKQpF27-4-A
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Good for him.
2028 Open Championship pushed to August to avoid conflict with the Olympics. Still no venue.
Open Championship in 2028 rescheduled for August to avoid conflict with Olympics
Open Championship in 2028 rescheduled for August to avoid conflict with Olympics
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Hasn't Baker-Finch moved back to Australia? I heard him doing commentary on the Australian PGA one remote-clicking day.
maumann2
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Gives the R&A enough time to make a special Claret Peace Jug for somebody who loves gold trinkets.
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Considering that the R&A pulled Turnberry out of the championship rotation - you get one guess as to why - I doubt that occurs.
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What's the deal with collegiate golfers, the NCAA and payouts at tournaments?
Gary Golfer from Big College gets NIL money. He plays in a PGA Tour event and makes the cut. But he can't accept the paycheck because that would affect his "amateur" status, right?
Yet now we have NBA G-League players who got paid for a year or more yet are back in college. A tennis player is suing the NCAA about the prize money rules.
Has any collegiate golfer sued, or would the tennis suit cover other sports? Seems pretty damned weird that a golf could get paid NIL money but after making the T-15 or whatever at a Tour event based on his/her skills not be able to take the check.
Gary Golfer from Big College gets NIL money. He plays in a PGA Tour event and makes the cut. But he can't accept the paycheck because that would affect his "amateur" status, right?
Yet now we have NBA G-League players who got paid for a year or more yet are back in college. A tennis player is suing the NCAA about the prize money rules.
Has any collegiate golfer sued, or would the tennis suit cover other sports? Seems pretty damned weird that a golf could get paid NIL money but after making the T-15 or whatever at a Tour event based on his/her skills not be able to take the check.
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Has nothing to do with the NCAA and everything to do with the Rules of Amateur status governed by the USGA and R&A.
Essentially, a player can win no more than $1,000 at an event and remain an amateur. There is no restriction on NIL or sponsorships, however. Nothing that says Titleist can't fly out a college player for swing calibration/testing, or provide equipment to said player. There are reasons why someone might want to stay an amateur ... like if you win the U.S. Am the year before to get your automatic invite to the Masters and the U.S. Open the next year. Those are forfeited if you turn professional. For someone like Nick Dunlap, winning a PGA Tour event changed the math because that win got him into those two majors regardless, so it made sense to turn pro immediately. For someone like Jackson Koivun, who has played well in Tour events but hasn't won, it made sense to stay amateur because he's going to get automatic Tour status through PGA Tour U anyway.
Think of it almost as an unpaid internship. These players are getting PGA Tour reps that will help them once they get out on tour for real.
Essentially, a player can win no more than $1,000 at an event and remain an amateur. There is no restriction on NIL or sponsorships, however. Nothing that says Titleist can't fly out a college player for swing calibration/testing, or provide equipment to said player. There are reasons why someone might want to stay an amateur ... like if you win the U.S. Am the year before to get your automatic invite to the Masters and the U.S. Open the next year. Those are forfeited if you turn professional. For someone like Nick Dunlap, winning a PGA Tour event changed the math because that win got him into those two majors regardless, so it made sense to turn pro immediately. For someone like Jackson Koivun, who has played well in Tour events but hasn't won, it made sense to stay amateur because he's going to get automatic Tour status through PGA Tour U anyway.
Think of it almost as an unpaid internship. These players are getting PGA Tour reps that will help them once they get out on tour for real.
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Just mindblowing to think of a PGA Tour schedule turning into this. Not saying it's all bad, I don't disagree with the scarcity argument (and being in golf media, sign me up for off weeks after majors), but telling a number of communities and sponsors that they're not in the Show anymore is not gonna be fun.
https://www.golfchannel.com/pga-tou...at-a-future-pga-tour-schedule-could-look-like
https://www.golfchannel.com/pga-tou...at-a-future-pga-tour-schedule-could-look-like
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Never gonna happen. Even the guy proposing it admits it's a blue sky idea. No Hawaii? No Torrey Pines? That's just for openers.
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There’s going to be some eggs that are spilled and crushed and broken, but I think that in the end we’re going to have a product that is far better than what we have now, for everyone involved."
Tiger Woods has a future in newspaper management.
maumann2
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A week off after the majors is actually a really good idea. But not starting events until after the Super Bowl seems like a complete lose-lose for television. January through March are when golf fans are sitting at home, unable to play because the weather's terrible. That's why the Tour has always gone Hawaii-Florida-West Coast during the winter months to capture captive audiences. If the PGA Tour is punting on six full weeks of the season, perhaps it's the product and not the places.
I can't imagine Pebble Beach wanting to give up rich Asian greens fees for almost a month just so the Tour gets to play there in August.
And I counted just 23 tournaments, three of those outside the U.S. (Canadian, Scottish, British). "Hey, I've got a great idea. Let's increase our ratings by playing even less golf!"
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PS: I forgot the sponsors. Think AT&T would love losing the former Crosby? Travelers has the Greater Hartford the week after the US Open. I'm sure they'd be happy to lose that! The ****ing spoiled great players at the top of the pyramid had best learn the the people who hand them the checks are the ones who'll make the final decisions.
Yeah, this has major issues. No Riviera or Torrey? Pebble in August is a no-go. The title sponsor of your (not)-season-long race for the championship gets noting in their hometown? This is a buzz cut, not a trim around the edges.
They need to get away from the playoffs. They won't, but start there.
And CBS/NBC have contracts for a certain number of tournaments so you'll have to rip those up.
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You want to whack the Palm Springs event that’s played on blah courses and everyone is shooting 61, I won’t complain. But the idea of creating a better product and putting Pebble, Riviera and Torrey Pines on the chopping block … jeez, you should just hire as decision-makers the good folks shoving college football off a cliff.
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I wonder if shrinking the schedule to make sponsorships of tourneys more scarce is part of it. Staying out of the way of the NFL will kill you in the end, because the league is just going to keep on eating up the calendar. A Valentine's Super Bowl? Seriously? Figure you can at least start play during Conference Championship weekend, when they start the games later and then have the two week break leading up to SB.
I also like the California swing for the "spring training" feel of it, giving newer and middling players a chance to get something going before the major players get going in Florida.
Not sure you need three or four Florida tournaments, or three or four Texas tournaments. You can always rotate which courses you play each year. They kind of already killed what made the Pebble stop special killing the pro-am which brought a lot of corporate heavy hitters into the PGA. In short, it seems like the Tour aims to do to itself what college football is doing, getting rid of what made it "unique" and leaving the fans out of the equation. Not to mention the massive volunteer organizations that staff these things making the economics work.
Why not just do a two-stage playoff. The final, which you qualify for either by winning a tournament or being top 20 in points, and the semi, for everyone else to try and get to the final if they haven't already.
I also like the California swing for the "spring training" feel of it, giving newer and middling players a chance to get something going before the major players get going in Florida.
Not sure you need three or four Florida tournaments, or three or four Texas tournaments. You can always rotate which courses you play each year. They kind of already killed what made the Pebble stop special killing the pro-am which brought a lot of corporate heavy hitters into the PGA. In short, it seems like the Tour aims to do to itself what college football is doing, getting rid of what made it "unique" and leaving the fans out of the equation. Not to mention the massive volunteer organizations that staff these things making the economics work.
Why not just do a two-stage playoff. The final, which you qualify for either by winning a tournament or being top 20 in points, and the semi, for everyone else to try and get to the final if they haven't already.
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It's a little bit blue sky but the author isn't completely shooting from the hip. I think he's going to be proven right about Hawaii. And remember, Farmers is in its last year as sponsor at Torrey.
The PGA Tour now answers to private equity, and if it thinks the way to ROI is 20-22 very-good-to-excellent events that it largely manages instead of the current more-of-a-mixed-bag 35, that's what they're gonna do. Of course, if you want to make the argument about the en****tification of everything around PE, that could be valid here too.
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Goddamnit. Can this ****ing piece of human excrement keep his hands off just one little thing? WaPo gift link.
Trump moves on D.C. golf courses with notice that jeopardizes lease
I've covered the Rock Creek project and written about it for our magazine. For those unfamiliar with this project, National Links Trust essentially is turning Rock Creek into a nine-hole championship course with a brand new clubhouse and 50-bay driving range, along with a nine-hole par 3 and an 18-hole putting course. The construction on the clubhouse is well underway. It will house the First Tee Greater Washington DC offices and be a home for those kids in the winter when they'd have no other place to practice. I rode the course with the FTGWDC executive director prior to the renovation work beginning. Four holes on the back were completely unplayable because of tree overgrowth, thus the move to make it a nine-hole track. NLT fought tooth and nail with the National Park Service to get permission to take down a bunch of dead trees to add airflow to the rest of the course, which is a William Flynn classic design.
For Trump to come in and try to do anything else with it would be disastrous. He gives no ****s about underprivileged kids and their access to golf opportunities.
He can't die soon enough.
Trump moves on D.C. golf courses with notice that jeopardizes lease
I've covered the Rock Creek project and written about it for our magazine. For those unfamiliar with this project, National Links Trust essentially is turning Rock Creek into a nine-hole championship course with a brand new clubhouse and 50-bay driving range, along with a nine-hole par 3 and an 18-hole putting course. The construction on the clubhouse is well underway. It will house the First Tee Greater Washington DC offices and be a home for those kids in the winter when they'd have no other place to practice. I rode the course with the FTGWDC executive director prior to the renovation work beginning. Four holes on the back were completely unplayable because of tree overgrowth, thus the move to make it a nine-hole track. NLT fought tooth and nail with the National Park Service to get permission to take down a bunch of dead trees to add airflow to the rest of the course, which is a William Flynn classic design.
For Trump to come in and try to do anything else with it would be disastrous. He gives no ****s about underprivileged kids and their access to golf opportunities.
He can't die soon enough.
