Running 2008 NBA Draft Thread

[Dickens Cider]

Beasley will be the better player.

Why?

Because not only does Beasley score more, rebound more, but he's a better shooter.

Same things I heard about Glenn Robinson about 15 years ago. Sure, he'll average 20-10, with no defense, and collect his millions. I saw him play at least a dozen times last year. He has no heart. He plays like he doesn't give a ****.

 

[a_rosenthal]

Beasley will be the better player.

Why?

Because not only does Beasley score more, rebound more, but he's a better shooter.

Rose reminds me of Andre Miller, in his Cavalier days. Very good player. Will help you most nights, won't hurt you very often. But he isn't going to be the PG on a title team.

Ah, an explanation. Thank you.

Chances of the Heat taking Mayo....10 percent? 50 percent? What say you?

Not sure. I suspect they'll take Beasley just because at the end of the day, he holds more trade value. His presence also allows them to deal Marion (who has an expiring contract).

 

[GB-Hack]

Beasley will be the better player.

Why?

John Hollinger says so.

He also said Dwyane Wade had the best NBA Finals performance in history.

To be fair, he did predict Adam Morrison would be a complete bust. Like all statistical analysis, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but it does also make interesting reading. Just don't let spnited and LJB know.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=DraftRater-080620

 

[a_rosenthal]

Beasley will be the better player.

Why?

Because not only does Beasley score more, rebound more, but he's a better shooter.

Same things I heard about Glenn Robinson about 15 years ago. Sure, he'll average 20-10, with no defense, and collect his millions. I saw him play at least a dozen times last year. He has no heart. He plays like he doesn't give a ****.

1. Defense is overrated.
2. Beasley is a far superior offensive player to Robinson.

 

[Dickens Cider]

Beasley will be the better player.

Why?

John Hollinger says so.

He also said Dwyane Wade had the best NBA Finals performance in history.

To be fair, he did predict Adam Morrison would be a complete bust. Like all statistical analysis, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but it does also make interesting reading. Just don't let spnited and LJB know.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=DraftRater-080620

According to those ratings, Drew Gooden projected higher than Kevin Durant and Carlos Boozer. He may wish to work further on his formula.

 

[a_rosenthal]

Beasley will be the better player.

Why?

John Hollinger says so.

He also said Dwyane Wade had the best NBA Finals performance in history.

To be fair, he did predict Adam Morrison would be a complete bust. Like all statistical analysis, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but it does also make interesting reading. Just don't let spnited and LJB know.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=DraftRater-080620

He retroactively predicted that. He didn't make that prediction at the time (don't think he was writing for the .com then). His current formula shows what he *would* have predicted at the time.

And who here didn't predict Adam Morrison would be a bust? Oh wait, he had 'heart'. Sorry, Dickens.

 

[JackReacher]

It's so hard to tell which 19-year-old is going to make the best pro at this point, isn't it? I mean, have we seen enough of either of these guys to really make an educated guess? Sure, they were great in college, but that doesn't mean ****.

It does make for interesting discussion, though. Right now, on the very, very little I know of both players, I'd take Rose. I think the NBA has become a guard's game, despite what the "experts" are saying.

 

[JackReacher]

Beasley will be the better player.

Why?

Because not only does Beasley score more, rebound more, but he's a better shooter.

Same things I heard about Glenn Robinson about 15 years ago. Sure, he'll average 20-10, with no defense, and collect his millions. I saw him play at least a dozen times last year. He has no heart. He plays like he doesn't give a ****.

1. Defense is overrated.
2. Beasley is a far superior offensive player to Robinson.

Defense is overrated? Really? Did you watch the playoffs this year? Any of it? Why am I asking so many questions?

 

[GB-Hack]

Beasley will be the better player.

Why?

John Hollinger says so.

He also said Dwyane Wade had the best NBA Finals performance in history.

To be fair, he did predict Adam Morrison would be a complete bust. Like all statistical analysis, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but it does also make interesting reading. Just don't let spnited and LJB know.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=DraftRater-080620

He retroactively predicted that. He didn't make that prediction at the time (don't think he was writing for the .com then). His current formula shows what he *would* have predicted at the time.

And who here didn't predict Adam Morrison would be a bust? Oh wait, he had 'heart'. Sorry, Dickens.

And yet, with the No.3 pick of the 2006 draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select......

 

[a_rosenthal]

It's so hard to tell which 19-year-old is going to make the best pro at this point, isn't it? I mean, have we seen enough of either of these guys to really make an educated guess? Sure, they were great in college, but that doesn't mean ****.

It does make for interesting discussion, though. Right now, on the very, very little I know of both players, I'd take Rose. I think the NBA has become a guard's game, despite what the "experts" are saying.

I agree. It certainly leans toward scoring combo guards like Wade. But I don't think Rose will score enough to take advantage of that.

It is awful soon to tell. I recall making fun of Deron Williams a few years ago (the guy looked one donut away from trying out as a dlineman for the Illini football team). He turned out OK.

 

[Dickens Cider]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he actually typed "defense is overrated". Awesome.

 

[GB-Hack]

Beasley will be the better player.

Why?

Because not only does Beasley score more, rebound more, but he's a better shooter.

Same things I heard about Glenn Robinson about 15 years ago. Sure, he'll average 20-10, with no defense, and collect his millions. I saw him play at least a dozen times last year. He has no heart. He plays like he doesn't give a ****.

1. Defense is overrated.
2. Beasley is a far superior offensive player to Robinson.

Defense is overrated? Really? Did you watch the playoffs this year? Any of it? Why am I asking so many questions?

You seem an inquisitive fellow.

 

[JackReacher]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he actually typed "defense is overrated". Awesome.

I love talking NBA, but I'm not sure I can take someone who says defense is overrated seriously.

 

[JackReacher]

Beasley will be the better player.

Why?

Because not only does Beasley score more, rebound more, but he's a better shooter.

Same things I heard about Glenn Robinson about 15 years ago. Sure, he'll average 20-10, with no defense, and collect his millions. I saw him play at least a dozen times last year. He has no heart. He plays like he doesn't give a ****.

1. Defense is overrated.
2. Beasley is a far superior offensive player to Robinson.

Defense is overrated? Really? Did you watch the playoffs this year? Any of it? Why am I asking so many questions?

You seem an inquisitive fellow.

Maybe. Or it could be all the garbage I just ate at Waffle House catching up with me.

 

[a_rosenthal]

Beasley will be the better player.

Why?

Because not only does Beasley score more, rebound more, but he's a better shooter.

Same things I heard about Glenn Robinson about 15 years ago. Sure, he'll average 20-10, with no defense, and collect his millions. I saw him play at least a dozen times last year. He has no heart. He plays like he doesn't give a ****.

1. Defense is overrated.
2. Beasley is a far superior offensive player to Robinson.

Defense is overrated? Really? Did you watch the playoffs this year? Any of it? Why am I asking so many questions?

The Celtics had one of the best defenses in history. In that case, it matters. But most teams aren't close to that. The Bulls, Heat and Wolves, for instance, aren't even close to having a good defense (although the Bulls have the guys for it). It doesn't make sense to emulate everything the Celtics did because they're inherently going to do it better. Right now, defensive ability in players is going to be overvalued. Doesn't make sense to tag along in that attitude.

It doesn't make sense to try to be the Celtics. It makes more sense to try to beat the Celtics. Can't beat them with a roster full of guys who aren't quite as good as they are.

When I said it was overrated, I mean that it quite literally is overrated. Right now, teams are going to try to be like the Celtics (just like teams try to emulate every champion in every sport). Never made any sense to me.

 

[Dickens Cider]

Teams are going to try to trade away their entire rosters for disgruntled superstars/former superstars on the downside of their careers and sign a bunch of former starters as role players in hopes of catching lightning in a bottle for a season or two?

 

[a_rosenthal]

Teams are going to try to trade away their entire rosters for disgruntled superstars/former superstars on the downside of their careers and sign a bunch of former starters as role players in hopes of catching lightning in a bottle for a season or two?

Yeah. That's probably what I meant.

 

[Oz]

He certainly did well in the tournament. A lot of those points were due to free throws though. He shot better from the FT line than he did the rest of the season. I suppose he could be one of those players who 'steps it up when it counts', but I'm more inclined to think that he's one of those players who 'got extremely lucky at the free-throw line when he normally shoots 70 percent'.

Rose shot 71.2 percent at the line during the entire season. He shot 77.2 percent (34 for 44) from the line during the tournament. I don't see where that 6 percent is enough to dramatically increase his scoring in the tournament compared to the regular season. It's not like he shot 90 percent. On average he made two more free throws per game in the tournament than he did in the regular season.

Chicago won't be grilled for taking Rose, even when Beasley turns out to be the superior player (by a vast margin). Rose was the safe, local, logical choice. If I'm Riley, though, I'd be doing backflips if he hears DR's name called first. Beasley, Wade, Marion? Not sure what type of offense will be installed, but they should be a team to be reckoned with next year.

Won't argue with Beasley being a great player, because he is. I simply think both will turn out just fine.

 

[bostonbred]

Beasley will be the better player.

Why?

Because not only does Beasley score more, rebound more, but he's a better shooter.

Rose reminds me of Andre Miller, in his Cavalier days. Very good player. Will help you most nights, won't hurt you very often. But he isn't going to be the PG on a title team.

Ah, an explanation. Thank you.

Chances of the Heat taking Mayo....10 percent? 50 percent? What say you?

Heat would be insane to take Mayo over Rose or Beasley or even trade the pick. Mayo's going to be very good, but he's clearly not in the top tier of the first two.

 

[spnited]

The Celtics had one of the best defenses in history.

Only if your concept of history is since the year 2000.