Pat Tillman's Birthday

[Fenian_Bastard]

The Tillman family's not going away.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/

 

[JR]

Wow.

Waiting for the Cindy Sheehan haters to demonstrate their consistency.

 

[Football_Bat]

The Cindy Sheehan haters have a little bit bigger fish to fry right now.

Like, saving their jobs.

They are crapping themselves left and right and I never smelt a sweeter smell.

 

[poindexter]

Wow.

Waiting for the Cindy Sheehan haters to demonstrate their consistency.

They'll probably show up when the Tillman family shows up in pictures like this.

That's powerful, great stuff written by Kevin. Why's it buried in some blog? It should be addressed and reiterated and reiterated.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

'Dexter makes a good point, after his idiotic one. (Oh, my. She's hugging Jesse Jackson! Run and hide the children!) It's "buried on a blog" because it's harder than you think to place an Op-Ed this straight in a lot of newspapers, although you'd think Kevin's special circumstances would make it easier.

 

[poindexter]

You want me to continue to list the reasons why Cindy Sheehan isn't looked at the same way as, say, a Kevin Tillman?

Stay on point with the Tillman stuff.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Oh, just wait and see if Kevin Tillman's head comes a little higher over the edge of the trench.
"He's a drunk."
"His family is falling apart."
You're fooling yourself, poin', if you think he's any more immune to swiftboating than she is. (John Murtha anyone?)

 

[poindexter]

I just re-read the words Tillman wrote. Alot of it can/should be debated intelligently. I don't agree with every word he wrote. But in a country like ours, each point he made should be looked at, debated, discussed.

It won't.

And that's sad.

Edit - I wrote this before I saw your latest point, and agree with you. It's sad that your prediction will be accurate.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

True 'dat.

 

[beefncheddar]

Wow.
Waiting for the Cindy Sheehan haters to demonstrate their consistency.

Since JR's throwing around labels, which seems to be the only thing he loves more than insulting anyone who disagrees with him, I guess I'm a "Cindy Sheehan hater."

And comparing Sheehan to Tillman is not only an insult to Tillman, it cheapens the points he's trying to make.

Amazing that your thirst for an argument would allow you to try and steer a thread away from an excellent piece that states your case better than you ever could yourself.

 

[JR]

Let's see.

Cindy Sheehan lost a son in Fredo's ****-Up. Tillman lost his brother.

Both are speaking out against a corrupt administration and those who support him. Tillman may be more eloquent but that's hardly the point.

If you don't see the similarities, you're not paying attention.

And as FB points out, Tillman is about an inch away from being swiftboated.

 

[beefncheddar]

Tillman is an Army Ranger who fought honorably and now seems interested only in getting his points across, not becoming a celebrity. Cindy Sheehan seems willing to stop at nothing to make sure her 15 minutes don't expire. It has nothing to do with eloquence.

Tillman has credibility. Sheehan has none, for a variety of reasons, none of which I'm particularly interested in rehashing. We've got enough Sheehan threads already as it is.

 

[zeke12]

That gave me goose bumps.

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

Let's see.

Cindy Sheehan lost a son in Fredo's ****-Up. Tillman lost his brother.

Both are speaking out against a corrupt administration and those who support him. Tillman may be more eloquent but that's hardly the point.

If you don't see the similarities, you're not paying attention.

And as FB points out, Tillman is about an inch away from being swiftboated.

The Swift Boat veterans served their country too - yet the term "swiftboated" in your context denigrates that service.

I greatly admire Kevin Tillman for his service and I do take what he says more seriously than if it had come from some pundit. He has given me food for thought.

I do find it reprehensible that certain people on this board who have never had any of their family members serve in the US military would be the ones to try and use someone like Kevin Tillman to further their own arguments on one hand but then wouldn't hesitate to use the words "stormtroopers", "swiftboated" or say compare Marines in Iraq to the soldiers who committed the Mai Lai massacre. These same people are the same ones so fond of calling others Chickenhawks.

 

[Pete Roses Bookie]

Great-great grandfather is in an unmarked grave in Tennessee. Drafted into the Union Army at 41 with eight children and a ninth on the way. Dead two months later. Am I permitted to speak now?
"Swiftboating" has nothing to do with prior service, it has everything to do with recent dis-service to this country.
The Swift Boaters reside in the same foul, stinking rat-infested cellar as those pols in Georgia whose ads tied Max Cleland, who left three limbs in Vietnam, to Osama Bin Laden.

 

[audreyld]

That gave me goose bumps.

It could be that I'm totally heartless, but I wasn't all that moved by it.

I'm opposed to the war, but I'm not going to pretend I thought this was some eloquent, finely-wrought argument against it.

 

[JR]

Cindy Sheehan incurred the wrath of Chris L and his cronies around here because she was one of the first to demonstrate against Bush's illegal war. She lost a son. She has as much credibility and as much right to her opinion as Tillman whose stance I also admire.

Oh, and btw, Chris, Swiftboating is a term like Whitewatering, referring to the lengths the dishonourable people on the right will go to besmirch public figures--at any cost.

Oh, and Chris, in case that snide comment about "not having members serve in the military" was directed at me you can go **** yourself. My father lost two brothers in Holland in WW11.

 

[poindexter]

Having to discuss legacies of who's family served in what war, in order to debate a subject just turns it into a nothing more than another "who's **** is bigger?" contest. This board is inhabited by people with legitimate social issues on its best day. Adding the war-veteran qualifier just adds to the dysfunction.

 

[JR]

Having to discuss legacies of who's family served in what war, in order to debate a subject just turns it into a nothing more than another "who's **** is bigger?" contest. This board is inhabited by people with legitimate social issues on its best day. Adding the war-veteran qualifier just adds to the dysfunction.

You can thank our man Chris for that. He was the one who injected it into the debate. It's the military version of "He never played the game".

 

[beefncheddar]

You can thank our man Chris for that. He was the one who injected it into the debate. It's the military version of "He never played the game".

So, that'd be the same way we can thank you for injecting Sheehan, right?