one more psu thread: THE TRANSFERRING ISSUE

[shockey]

i've heard several commentators opine that the ncaa should allow any player who wants to transfer out of penn state do so without having to sit out a year, as all transfers must.

a bigger question that hits closer to home, since one of middle son shockey's best buds is a freshman at psu and the kid's parents are among our closest friends:

if your child was attending penn state, given the unfortunate stigma attached to the school -- what's the FIRST thing folks will think of when you say you go to penn state? -- would you want him/her to transfer out? for two reasons, i vote 'yes': i don't want my kid attending a school that is becoming a punch-line and i wouldn't want to be giving this school my hard-earned money anymore.

what does everyone here think? all i keep thinking is how proud middle son's amigo was when he opted for penn state, loving the positive reaction it would get from folks largely because of its gootball team, joe pa's pristine image, etc. now he's among to kids admitting he's 'embarrassed' by the turnaround in the school's image and once-proud name. 'WE ARE ... EMBARRASSED TO BE... PENN STATE' is not a catchy tune..I

 

[Boom_70]

I'm pretty sure that regular students can just transfer and not lose credit from other institutions.

 

[shockey]

I'm pretty sure that regular students can just transfer and not lose credit from other institutions.

oh, no doubt. hope i wasn't that unclear; i'm just asking if you would want your child to transfer from psu asap in light of all this. there are hundreds of colleges to earn a degree from and to give your money to. so would you encourage your child to get outta there to avoid further embarrassment instead of the immense pride they had in their school now that it's being proven to be a sham? i mean, what kid can feel good about saying he attends penn state thee days?

 

[Boom_70]

I'm pretty sure that regular students can just transfer and not lose credit from other institutions.

oh, no doubt. hope i wasn't that unclear; i'm just asking if you would want your child to transfer from psu asap in light of all this. there are hundreds of colleges to earn a degree from and to give your money to. so would you encourage your child to get outta there to avoid further embarrassment instead of the immense pride they had in their school now that it's being proven to be a sham? i mean, what kid can feel good about saying he attends penn state thee days?

Gotcha - just having some fun with ya Shock. I understood what you meant.

 

[User 11148]

i'm just asking if you would want your child to transfer from psu asap in light of all this. there are hundreds of colleges to earn a degree from and to give your money to. so would you encourage your child to get outta there to avoid further embarrassment instead of the immense pride they had in their school now that it's being proven to be a sham? i mean, what kid can feel good about saying he attends penn state thee days?

I think transferring would be a terrible overreaction. That there was something unbelievably rotten going on in the football program at Penn State does not mean that the education being delivered to nearly 45,000 students is a sham. It doesn't mean that the nearly $780 million in research funding has been misdirected. Penn State is, and will remain, a highly regarded academic institution. That its academic reputation has been comingled with its athletic reputation is unfortunate given recent revelations, but the hit taken by the academic side will be very short-lived.

Let me put this in human terms. I have a former classmate who is an assistant professor at the main campus and he is up against some serious expectations regarding his research output. I strongly suspect his chances at being tenured are very slim because his output of late hasn't been up to Penn State's standards. I can assure you that in these last few days his tenure case hasn't gotten stronger simply because Penn State's reputation has taken a hit.

 

[shockey]

I think transferring would be a terrible overreaction. That there was something unbelievably rotten going on in the football program at Penn State does not mean that the education being delivered to nearly 45,000 students is a sham. It doesn't mean that the nearly $780 million in research funding has been misdirected. Penn State is, and will remain, a highly regarded academic institution. That its academic reputation has been comingled with its athletic reputation is unfortunate given recent revelations, but the hit taken by the academic side will be very short-lived.

Let me put this in human terms. I have a former classmate who is an assistant professor at the main campus and he is up against some serious expectations regarding his research output. I strongly suspect his chances at being tenured are very slim because his output of late hasn't been up to Penn State's standards. I can assure you that in these last few days his tenure case hasn't gotten stronger simply because Penn State's reputation has taken a hit.

none of this is the point. which is why every upstanding educator at psu is understandably outraged and reeling. rightheaded, wrongheaded, matters not. the guttural reaction to the words 'penn statee' will be a negative one for a long time. a reaction the upstanding educators and students do not deserve, by any means, but must brace themselves for. if your child is a student there, is it worth the trouble? i say nay.., fully aware others will disagree. which is why i raise the issue for discussion.

 

[User 11148]

As I wrote, the hit to the academic reputation will be very short-lived. Thus my contention that transferring would be a terrible overreaction. Indeed, by the time a transfer could be completed, the greater world will, in my estimation, be well along in the process of disconnecting the academic and athletic facets of Penn State's reputation.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

I don't think a sports scandal (even as big as this one) dimishes someone's degree.

It's a very good school. That hasn't changed.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

If you're a football player there, I would transfer immediately. The regular students? I think that would be an overreaction.

 

[shockey]

If you're a football player there, I would transfer immediately. The regular students? I think that would be an overreaction.

i hear ya.just unsure if i'd feel differently if my kid was going there. glad he's not and i can just judge from afar.

 

[Drip]

As I wrote, the hit to the academic reputation will be very short-lived. Thus my contention that transferring would be a terrible overreaction. Indeed, by the time a transfer could be completed, the greater world will, in my estimation, be well along in the process of disconnecting the academic and athletic facets of Penn State's reputation.

Academic hit? WTF? Penn State is still regarded as one of the finest institutions in the country. A Penn State degree is still prestigious.

 

[westcoastvol]

If I had the game film, some snaps, more than three stars coming out of high school and could transfer to a top 30 program, why not?

It will take an immediate massive homerun hire (e.g. Urban Meyer) to right the ship asap before attrition of your existing roster/attrition of your potential upcoming rosters have a chance to set in.

Penn State, IMO, can ill afford to *****foot around and go through a coach or two (e.g. Nebraska between Osborne-Pellini, Bama post-Stallings-Saban, Vols, post-Fulmer TBD). Rebuild while you have decent numbers/stats so you won't have to be like Derek Dooley who told everyone that last season was Year Zero and that 2012 is Year One b/c the roster was/is so ****ed from a few years of neglect and poor decision-making. Get out the checkbook for a high-caliber coach while there's still money in the bank before settlements and civil suits kick your school's ass.

 

[Starman]

The NCAA won't grant blanket releases unless the entire football program is completely shut down.

 

[YankeeFan]

As I wrote, the hit to the academic reputation will be very short-lived. Thus my contention that transferring would be a terrible overreaction. Indeed, by the time a transfer could be completed, the greater world will, in my estimation, be well along in the process of disconnecting the academic and athletic facets of Penn State's reputation.

I think the question hinges more on the message you want to send -- and is sending that message worth more than your kid's education/experience (if he wants to stay).

One of the things that made the Catholic Church wake up to their problems was the drop off at the collection plate. (Combined with the lawsuits, which as Pierce Pointed out, forced them to sell some of their best pieces of property.)

If you want PSU to get the message, if you don't want PSU to get one more dime of your money, you pull the plug. You send your kid someplace else.

And, I suppose how they handle this in the next several weeks/months, and what else comes out might help you make your decision.

If I'm Shockey's friend, I'm at least investigating it.

PSU might come out of this with its academic reputation in tact. That doesn't mean you'd be proud to be a graduate.

 

[User 11148]

As I wrote, the hit to the academic reputation will be very short-lived. Thus my contention that transferring would be a terrible overreaction. Indeed, by the time a transfer could be completed, the greater world will, in my estimation, be well along in the process of disconnecting the academic and athletic facets of Penn State's reputation.

Academic hit? WTF? Penn State is still regarded as one of the finest institutions in the country. A Penn State degree is still prestigious.

Perhaps you missed my earlier post?

 

[marvinhall05]

If you're a football player there, I would transfer immediately. The regular students? I think that would be an overreaction.

I agree with this 100%

 

[hondo]

More short-term: people have asked if Penn State should decline a bowl invitation, or will bowls not invite them.

That might not be possible. To the best of my knowledge, any team in a BCS conference cannot decline a bowl invitation. They're contractually obligated to play if eligible, and invited as a part of the conference bowl selection process. If Penn State doesn't win the Big Ten, the next four in order are Cap One, Outback, Insight, Gator. Cap One and Outback are subject to a two-loss rule (If Penn State finishes 9-3, they can't pass them for a 7-5 team). Also, Big Ten championship game loser can't fall below the Gator.

Wonder which city (Orlando, Tampa, Jax) will hold their nose and take Penn State. One of the might have to.

 

[Lieslntx]

I think it just sucks that the players and other student fans of the football program would get "punished" for something that is not their fault.

 

[Starman]

More short-term: people have asked if Penn State should decline a bowl invitation, or will bowls not invite them.

That might not be possible. To the best of my knowledge, any team in a BCS conference cannot decline a bowl invitation. They're contractually obligated to play if eligible, and invited as a part of the conference bowl selection process. If Penn State doesn't win the Big Ten, the next four in order are Cap One, Outback, Insight, Gator. Cap One and Outback are subject to a two-loss rule (If Penn State finishes 9-3, they can't pass them for a 7-5 team). Also, Big Ten championship game loser can't fall below the Gator.

Wonder which city (Orlando, Tampa, Jax) will hold their nose and take Penn State. One of the might have to.

If they win the BTCG, they will be locked into the Rose Bowl.

I think the Big Ten will "allow" (i.e. order) them to refuse any other invitations.

 

[Lieslntx]

And it sucks for the players and student supporters if they were "allowed" or "forced."