NFL Week 5 thread: Josh Freeman is no longer the future

[Cosmo]

Thursday
TB (-4.5) at CHI

Sunday early
LAR (-7.5) at WFT
CAR at ATL (-2.5)
BUF at TEN (NL)
LV at KC (-13)
ARZ (-7) at NYJ
PHI at PIT (-7)
CIN at BAL (-13)
JAX at HOU (-6)

Sunday late
MIA at SF (NL)
IND (-1.5) at CLE
NYG at DAL (-9.5)
DEN at NE (NL)

Sunday night
MIN at SEA (-7)

Monday night
LAC at NO (-7.5)

Three no-line games due to Covid and various injuries ... LOL at Dallas giving 9.5 considering they're allowing 64.6 points per game. ... Also, that Indy-Cleveland line seems weird. Browns were a strangely public team last year but get no respect here. ... Could Buffalo really get to 5-0?

 

[DanielSimpsonDay]

Thursday
TB (-4.5) at CHI

Sunday early
LAR (-7.5) at WFT
CAR at ATL (-2.5)
BUF at TEN (NL)
LV at KC (-13)
ARZ (-7) at NYJ
PHI at PIT (-7)
CIN at BAL (-13)
JAX at HOU (-6)

Sunday late
MIA at SF (NL)
IND (-1.5) at CLE
NYG at DAL (-9.5)
DEN at NE (NL)

Sunday night
MIN at SEA (-7)

Monday night
LAC at NO (-7.5)

Three no-line games due to Covid and various injuries ... LOL at Dallas giving 9.5 considering they're allowing 64.6 points per game. ... Also, that Indy-Cleveland line seems weird. Browns were a strangely public team last year but get no respect here. ... Could Buffalo really get to 5-0?

2020

Buffalo 18-0
Allen and Diggs test positive
Miss Super Bowl
Lose 12-9 to the Seahawks

 

[Regan MacNeil]

Three more weeks till the Bears are 3-4.

 

[Batman]

Bills-Titans could be played in a monsoon. The remnants of Delta are forecast to be in the Nashville area Sunday afternoon.

 

[Batman]

Two weeks in, I thought the Cardinals and Raiders were potential sleepers this season. If not to win their divisions, then at least to make the playoffs. Two weeks later, and I'm terrified to take them with a modest spread against an absolutely atrocious Jets team and a two-touchdown cushion against the Chiefs.
It's a kaleidoscope league, man.

 

[Batman]

LOL at Dallas giving 9.5 considering they're allowing 64.6 points per game.

I think you're underestimating how truly ****ty the Giants are. One touchdown in three games. Them playing Dallas is like taking a virgin to a whorehouse to see how he reacts. They'll probably jizz in their pants in the first 30 seconds and get beat 35-10.

 

[Cosmo]

What was your favorite memory of the Haskins era in Washington?

 

[poindexter]

What was your favorite memory of the Haskins era in Washington?

 

[Spartan Squad]

So there are some execs ****ting themselves this morning

Source: Pats' Gilmore tests positive; no practice

Source: 2 Titans players test positive for virus

 

[TigerVols]

Are the league's newly beefed up COVID-related penalties retroactive? Asking for a Titans fanboi.

 

[Cosmo]

In all seriousness on Haskins, he never had a chance. He's been in multiple systems with multiple coaches, is young, and has very little in the way around him in weapons. He has McLaurin and nothing else at receiver. Logan Thomas, who played quarterback at Virginia Tech and some wideout at Brookville High School, is his tight end. He's got a decent rookie running back in Gibson. But to what end is this benching? Are you just giving up on him totally? For Kyle Allen? For a chance to win the NFC East and get waxed in the first round of the playoffs in a home game where you can't even have fans in the stands?

I just don't get it as a football move. This year is a throwaway. Dallas is the best team in the division and will eventually get its **** together to finish 7-9 or 8-8 and win it. The WFT ceiling is six wins at the very best. Why not give Haskins the year -- or at the very least eight or nine games -- to see if he's the guy? Four games under a new regime with no preseason and limited training camp isn't enough of a sample size to deem him a bust yet, IMHO.

 

[sgreenwell]

What was your favorite memory of the Haskins era in Washington?

Is it weird that Smith started as the #3 on that depth chart? I know Rivera has familiarity with Kyle Allen from Carolina, but it's not like he set the world on fire and won a ton of games. I realize it was a nice story when Smith made the team, but if he can play, he should probably be in there ahead of Allen, and if he can't play, he should probably still be on IR or cut.

 

[Cosmo]

Agree totally with that. Having watched the Alex Smith E:60, I'm kind of petrified to see him in a game. He almost died for ****'s sake. I admire his drive to get back to it, but I just don't know.

 

[Sam Mills 51]

In all seriousness on Haskins, he never had a chance. He's been in multiple systems with multiple coaches, is young, and has very little in the way around him in weapons. He has McLaurin and nothing else at receiver. Logan Thomas, who played quarterback at Virginia Tech and some wideout at Brookville High School, is his tight end. He's got a decent rookie running back in Gibson. But to what end is this benching? Are you just giving up on him totally? For Kyle Allen? For a chance to win the NFC East and get waxed in the first round of the playoffs in a home game where you can't even have fans in the stands?

I just don't get it as a football move. This year is a throwaway. Dallas is the best team in the division and will eventually get its **** together to finish 7-9 or 8-8 and win it. The WFT ceiling is six wins at the very best. Why not give Haskins the year -- or at the very least eight or nine games -- to see if he's the guy? Four games under a new regime with no preseason and limited training camp isn't enough of a sample size to deem him a bust yet, IMHO.

... NOW they try to tank for Trevor Lawrence?

In all seriousness, Ron Rivera has to be upset at something Haskins is - or is not - doing away from the field. For Rivera to go out of his way to demote Haskins to a No. 3 QB is telling. And Kyle Allen is not the long-term answer.

I think the world of Rivera, and Allen is better than people think. That doesn't make this a good move.

 

[Cosmo]

Rivera's comments -- essentially, where the division is right now, we'd be dumb not to give Kyle a shot.

I guess he has a point, but my feelings stand. I look at the schedule and see five more potential wins: at NYG, vs. DAL, vs. NYG, vs. CIN, vs. CAR (and that's iffy). Most optimistic scenario is 6-10.

 

[poindexter]

Understanding that some qbs develop at a different pace than others, it has to be detrimental to Haskins to see Justin Herbert step into a start literally 60 seconds before kickoff, and look great. And he threw deep touchdowns sunday - to Jalen Guyton, Tyron Johnson, as well as Donald Parham. Ever hear of those guys before Sunday?

Lets face it, Haskins hasn't improved much in his two years.

 

[TigerVols]

Understanding that some qbs develop at a different pace than others, it has to be detrimental to Haskins to see Justin Herbert step into a start literally 60 seconds before kickoff, and look great. And he threw deep touchdowns sunday - to Jalen Guyton, Tyron Johnson, as well as Donald Parham. Ever hear of those guys before Sunday?

Lets face it, Haskins hasn't improved much in his two years.

He reminds me of Darnold in that neither did anything at the CFB level to make me think they were a playoff-caliber QB.

 

[playthrough]

Rivera's comments -- essentially, where the division is right now, we'd be dumb not to give Kyle a shot.

I guess he has a point, but my feelings stand. I look at the schedule and see five more potential wins: at NYG, vs. DAL, vs. NYG, vs. CIN, vs. CAR (and that's iffy). Most optimistic scenario is 6-10.

I have the WFT under 5 wins for a few shekels. Gotta have the Giants wake up for at least one of those games. And if they beat my Bengals, well ... I guess I wouldn't be that surprised.

 

[Cosmo]

I actually don't think they'll sweep the Giants. There's a game at Detroit but the Lions are decent. They drew a very tough hand facing both the NFC West and AFC North this year.

 

[poindexter]

He reminds me of Darnold in that neither did anything at the CFB level to make me think they were a playoff-caliber QB.

Darnold is going to make about $15 million in career earnings because of that Penn State Rose Bowl game.