"Mangenious" No More

[Trouser_Buddah]

I have trouble thinking any coach is a genius.

Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.

 

[outofplace]

I have trouble thinking any coach is a genius.

Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.

Is Norman related to Albert?

 

[Trouser_Buddah]

I have trouble thinking any coach is a genius.

Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.

Is Norman related to Albert?

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joe_theismann.html

 

[outofplace]

I have trouble thinking any coach is a genius.

Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.

Is Norman related to Albert?

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joe_theismann.html

Oh, it was something stupid Joe /Thees-man/ said?

 

[nafselon]

And you have to look at what previous regimes left Mangini and Tannenbaum. In the 2003 Draft, the Jets had an opportunity to draft Andre Johnson and passed on the former University of Miami receiver for Dwayne Robertson. How different would the Jets' offense be if they had a wideout like Johnson?

No they didn't. Johnson was drafted third by the Texans and the highest the Jets could trade up to was the fourth slot. They didn't have a chance at all.

 

[Fly]

Chad's balls just float.

Am I the only one who picked up on this line??

Have at it, quotemeisters...

 

[hondo]

I have trouble thinking any coach is a genius.

B-I-N-G-O and Bingo was his name-o.
They're not. They make no contribution to society, other than to be part of one particular brand of entertainment. Yet, these paranoid douches think they're fighting a war, leading a nation or curing cancer.
Tough year for these Parcells/Belicheat spawn from hell. Except for the head cheater himself. We can all hope his time will come.

 

[Boom_70]

And you have to look at what previous regimes left Mangini and Tannenbaum. In the 2003 Draft, the Jets had an opportunity to draft Andre Johnson and passed on the former University of Miami receiver for Dwayne Robertson. How different would the Jets' offense be if they had a wideout like Johnson?

You cannot evaluate the draft until 2008 // Tim

 

[pseudo]

Mangini's strange loyalty to Pennington will do him in long before any other inept in-game decisions. Ray Charles could see that Pennington is no longer a NFL-caliber starting quarterback.

Mangini is loyal to Pennington because the Jets finished 10-6 and qualified for the playoffs last season. And a lot of that is due to Pennington.

But he can't move the ball downfield. Look at the Ravens game. Kellen Clemens--who doesn't have an Elway or Marino arm--was able to throw the ball 20-to-25 yards downfield. Clemens' passes had zip to them. Chad's balls just float. You can his attempts with a sun dial.

Yup. My notes from before the Buffalo game had CP's longest completion of the season traveling 16 yards in the air. Doubt that's changed much since then.

 

[cranberry]

And you have to look at what previous regimes left Mangini and Tannenbaum. In the 2003 Draft, the Jets had an opportunity to draft Andre Johnson and passed on the former University of Miami receiver for Dwayne Robertson. How different would the Jets' offense be if they had a wideout like Johnson?

You cannot evaluate the draft until 2008 // Tim

Come to think of it, Tim has had sufficient time by now to work up his analysis of the April 2004 draft.

 

[bostonbred]

I have trouble thinking any coach is a genius.

B-I-N-G-O and Bingo was his name-o.
They're not. They make no contribution to society, other than to be part of one particular brand of entertainment. Yet, these paranoid douches think they're fighting a war, leading a nation or curing cancer.
Tough year for these Parcells/Belicheat spawn from hell. Except for the head cheater himself. We can all hope his time will come.

I'm confident that both Parcells and Belichick are smarter than ol' Dubya.

 

[PhilaYank36]

In every case it happens, it's something to see a coach go from Mangenius to Mangina across two seasons. Mangini is probably somewhere in the middle (there will never be either another Belechick or, for that matter, Kottite). This is just my humble opinion, but these are what I think are the three biggest (but not only) reasons why the Jets are 1-5 this year.

• The Pete Kendall fiasco
• Mangini's stubborn insistence on using the 3-4 defense with 4-3 personnel
• Mangini's stubborn insistence on starting Pennington & sitting Clemens

I've never played nor coached football, so I won't say these are necessarily easy decisions, but they seem like the most logical from the outside looking in.

 

[bostonbred]

In every case it happens, it's something to see a coach go from Mangenius to Mangina across two seasons. Mangini is probably somewhere in the middle (there will never be either another Belechick or, for that matter, Kottite). This is just my humble opinion, but these are what I think are the three biggest (but not only) reasons why the Jets are 1-5 this year.

• The Pete Kendall fiasco
• Mangini's stubborn insistence on using the 3-4 defense with 4-3 personnel
• Mangini's stubborn insistence on starting Pennington & sitting Clemens

I've never played nor coached football, so I won't say these are necessarily easy decisions, but they seem like the most logical from the outside looking in.

I'd have to co-sign about all of this...the Jets are clearly going nowhere so they might as well start giving Clemens some PT. They have some decent young-ish wideouts who can get down the field in a flash and a solid back in Thomas Jones.

 

[PhilaYank36]

In every case it happens, it's something to see a coach go from Mangenius to Mangina across two seasons. Mangini is probably somewhere in the middle (there will never be either another Belechick or, for that matter, Kottite). This is just my humble opinion, but these are what I think are the three biggest (but not only) reasons why the Jets are 1-5 this year.

• The Pete Kendall fiasco
• Mangini's stubborn insistence on using the 3-4 defense with 4-3 personnel
• Mangini's stubborn insistence on starting Pennington & sitting Clemens

I've never played nor coached football, so I won't say these are necessarily easy decisions, but they seem like the most logical from the outside looking in.

I'd have to co-sign about all of this...the Jets are clearly going nowhere so they might as well start giving Clemens some PT. They have some decent young-ish wideouts who can get down the field in a flash and a solid back in Thomas Jones.

That's all well & good, but what good are those weapons if they are spending most of the time on the sideline when the defense can't stop the opponents? It's practically common knowledge that Jonathan Vilma and Dewayne Robertson are very good in the 4-3 scheme, but just aren't as effective in the 3-4. Either the Jets have to switch schemes (highly unlikely, esp. in the middle of the season) or use their first two picks on a monsterous NT and a suitable ILB. If the Jets stay in their tailspin, they might get some quality picks.

 

[wickedwritah]

Geez, the whole season has gone downhill since Mangina turned into a narc.

Karma is a *****.

 

[outofplace]

In every case it happens, it's something to see a coach go from Mangenius to Mangina across two seasons. Mangini is probably somewhere in the middle (there will never be either another Belechick or, for that matter, Kottite). This is just my humble opinion, but these are what I think are the three biggest (but not only) reasons why the Jets are 1-5 this year.

• The Pete Kendall fiasco
• Mangini's stubborn insistence on using the 3-4 defense with 4-3 personnel
• Mangini's stubborn insistence on starting Pennington & sitting Clemens

I've never played nor coached football, so I won't say these are necessarily easy decisions, but they seem like the most logical from the outside looking in.

I'd have to co-sign about all of this...the Jets are clearly going nowhere so they might as well start giving Clemens some PT. They have some decent young-ish wideouts who can get down the field in a flash and a solid back in Thomas Jones.

That's all well & good, but what good are those weapons if they are spending most of the time on the sideline when the defense can't stop the opponents? It's practically common knowledge that Jonathan Vilma and Dewayne Robertson are very good in the 4-3 scheme, but just aren't as effective in the 3-4. Either the Jets have to switch schemes (highly unlikely, esp. in the middle of the season) or use their first two picks on a monsterous NT and a suitable ILB. If the Jets stay in their tailspin, they might get some quality picks.

Excellent point. Mangini needs to take a lesson from Mike Tomlin's approach in Pittsburgh.

Tomlin is a Tony Dungy disciple. That means playing the 4-3 with lots of zone and counting on the line to put pressure on the quarterback. But he was smart enough to keep defensive coordinator **** LeBeau, master of the 3-4, zone blitz scheme that the Steelers ran all through Bill Cowher's seasons in Pittsburgh.

The Steelers are still in the 3-4 and attacking as much as ever because that is the approach that fits their personnel. You are seeing some of his zone defenses, particularly in Week 5 against the Seahawks when the secondary was a little beat up, but they are still a lot more of a LeBeau defense than a Tomlin one.

I assume over the long run Tomlin will want defenses built more to his preference, but he was willing to adapt to what he had to win. The results so far are a 4-1 start with the league's top-ranked defense in yards and points against.

Even Coach Hoodie has shown that he will adapt to his personnel and the situation. Apparently Mangini wasn't paying attention and he has tried to force the Jets into a defense their personnel can't handle. .

 

[hockeybeat]

Mangini's strange loyalty to Pennington will do him in long before any other inept in-game decisions. Ray Charles could see that Pennington is no longer a NFL-caliber starting quarterback.

Mangini is loyal to Pennington because the Jets finished 10-6 and qualified for the playoffs last season. And a lot of that is due to Pennington.

But he can't move the ball downfield. Look at the Ravens game. Kellen Clemens--who doesn't have an Elway or Marino arm--was able to throw the ball 20-to-25 yards downfield. Clemens' passes had zip to them. Chad's balls just float. You can his attempts with a sun dial.

Yup. My notes from before the Buffalo game had CP's longest completion of the season traveling 16 yards in the air. Doubt that's changed much since then.

He completed a 17 yard pass to Coles in the Dolphins game. But that's about it.