Email

[MisterCreosote]

Yep. And we saw how pure and innocent they were.

 

[bigpern23]

Hey, if there's wrongdoing hidden in her emails, I'm all for punishing her however is deemed fit. But the story, as is, means nothing.

She used a personal email address for business purposes, much like previous Secretaries of State, because the NARA hadn't yet crafted rules outlining proper email protocols for records preservation. In 2014, she turned over the emails - which were already presumably stored on State Department servers because they were sent to recipients with State Department addresses - and several months later, this is becoming a thing.

Personally, I think the entire nation should be far more concerned that Petraeus won't spend a minute in jail after disclosing classified information to his booty call, while Eric Snowden is labeled as a traitor and faces life in prison if he ever returns to the U.S.

 

[LongTimeListener]

The Ferguson cops definitely should have used their personal email accounts.

 

[Boom_70]

Hey, if there's wrongdoing hidden in her emails, I'm all for punishing her however is deemed fit. But the story, as is, means nothing.

She used a personal email address for business purposes, much like previous Secretaries of State, because the NARA hadn't yet crafted rules outlining proper email protocols for records preservation. In 2014, she turned over the emails - which were already presumably stored on State Department servers because they were sent to recipients with State Department addresses - and several months later, this is becoming a thing.

Personally, I think the entire nation should be far more concerned that Petraeus won't spend a minute in jail after disclosing classified information to his booty call, while Eric Snowden is labeled as a traitor and faces life in prison if he ever returns to the U.S.

*** if you are not hitting all The Clinton talking points that were mentioned today on various talk shows. Based on the NYT story it seems like 2009
was when the e-mail laws were put in place:

"Mrs. Clinton’s exclusive use of personal email for her government business is unusual for a high-level official, archive experts have said. Federal regulations, since 2009, have required that all emails be preserved as part of an agency’s record-keeping system. In Mrs. Clinton’s case, her emails were kept on her personal account and her staff took no steps to have them preserved as part of State Department record."

Perhaps I'm a bit too cynical but I would willing to bet that Hillary wanted to get this story out now as part of getting ready for 2016. It's
been a tried and true formula for her. Even better on the same day when Bibi spoke. There was a lot of Clinton apologists out there pretty
fast with coordinated talking points last night which tells me that this was well planned out.

 

[MisterCreosote]

She used a personal email address for business purposes, much like previous Secretaries of State, because the NARA hadn't yet crafted rules outlining proper email protocols for records preservation.

The Federal Records Act has been in effect since 1950. Any reasonable person would interpret it to include methods of official communication that were invented after its passage.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Lawyers don't, though. They look at every angle they can.

It's bull****, but there's at least a way to talk it up that way.

 

[Bronco77]

I'll use my home email for work-related matters, but usually it's just for something mundane, such as asking a question about the schedule or letting the boss know I'll be running a bit late.

We also can access our work email from home, but I try to avoid that. Learned my lesson in a previous gig -- I'd check the work email from home and see messages from my bosses pointing out errors or second-guessing my decisions, and the day would be ruined.

 

[bigpern23]

*** if you are not hitting all The Clinton talking points that were mentioned today on various talk shows. Based on the NYT story it seems like 2009
was when the e-mail laws were put in place:

"Mrs. Clinton’s exclusive use of personal email for her government business is unusual for a high-level official, archive experts have said. Federal regulations, since 2009, have required that all emails be preserved as part of an agency’s record-keeping system. In Mrs. Clinton’s case, her emails were kept on her personal account and her staff took no steps to have them preserved as part of State Department record."

Perhaps I'm a bit too cynical but I would willing to bet that Hillary wanted to get this story out now as part of getting ready for 2016. It's
been a tried and true formula for her. Even better on the same day when Bibi spoke. There was a lot of Clinton apologists out there pretty
fast with coordinated talking points last night which tells me that this was well planned out.

I'm not sure anyone can be too cynical when it comes to politics these days. :)

As for the email regulation, the National Archives enacted the current rules on the management of Federal records, including email accounts, on Sept. 9, 2013, after she left office. During her time as Secretary, using a personal email account was allowed.

The 2009 regulations you are referring to state, "Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency record-keeping system." The New York Times reported this story Monday, several months after Clinton apparently turned over the records of her emails to the National Archives, where they are now preserved.

So, again, as the story stands, there's nothing to this. Her handling of the emails absolutely begs further scrutiny, but it's being treated as if she was Gmailing Snowden state secrets with Petraeus crouching beneath her desk with his face in her crotch.

 

[bigpern23]

The Federal Records Act has been in effect since 1950. Any reasonable person would interpret it to include methods of official communication that were invented after its passage.

She did turn over 55,000 emails. So I suppose she was a reasonable person who did interpret it to include methods of official communication that were invented after its passage.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Unless there is absolutely something major in those emails, this will blow over in a couple of weeks, with the exception of the RWSM, who will complain about how the media isn't banging this drum relentlessly as THE BIG ONE (until the next BIG ONE!!! dooms her future campaign.

 

[MisterCreosote]

If you're inclined to trust politicians to self-govern and self-report truthfully and completely after years of disregarding federal law, I suppose there isn't anything to worry about.

Maybe we don't need campaign finance laws either, because if a huge donation comes from a shady source, the recipient candidate will just turn it over to authorities. :rolleyes:

 

[old_tony]

I'll use my home email for work-related matters, but usually it's just for something mundane, such as asking a question about the schedule or letting the boss know I'll be running a bit late.

We also can access our work email from home, but I try to avoid that. Learned my lesson in a previous gig -- I'd check the work email from home and see messages from my bosses pointing out errors or second-guessing my decisions, and the day would be ruined.

Start putting in for hours because you checked your work email from home and see how quickly they're OK with you not checking your work email from home.

 

[Boom_70]

Clinton fatigue already setting in

 

[bigpern23]

If you're inclined to trust politicians to self-govern and self-report truthfully and completely after years of disregarding federal law, I suppose there isn't anything to worry about.

Maybe we don't need campaign finance laws either, because if a huge donation comes from a shady source, the recipient candidate will just turn it over to authorities. :rolleyes:

It's really not about trusting the government or politicians (I certainly don't). The point is, quite simply, there is no wrongdoing in this story as of now.

This is how the story stands at the moment:
- Hillary Clinton exclusively used a personal email address to conduct state business during her time as Secretary of State.
- Under the Federal Records Act, this was not prohibited. It was required that all emails be preserved by an appropriate government agency.
- Clinton resigned as Secretary of State in February 2013
- In September 2013, after Clinton left office, the NARA enacted stricter guidelines forbidding the use of personal email except in emergencies.
- In late 2014, Clinton turned over 55,000 emails sent via her personal email address to conduct state business.
- Said emails are now preserved by an appropriate government agency.
- Monday, the NY Times reports that Clinton used personal email instead of a State Department address.

Unless/until they find something major while archiving her emails, this story is completely meaningless.

And, I mean, you do realize that having a State Department email address is not a panacea to prevent wrongdoing. Even if she had a State Department email address, that would not have stopped her from using a personal email address to conduct all the nefarious activities that she is apparently hiding.

 

[old_tony]

It's really not about trusting the government or politicians (I certainly don't). The point is, quite simply, there is no wrongdoing in this story as of now.

This is how the story stands at the moment:
- Hillary Clinton exclusively used a personal email address to conduct state business during her time as Secretary of State.
- Under the Federal Records Act, this was not prohibited. It was required that all emails be preserved by an appropriate government agency.
- Clinton resigned as Secretary of State in February 2013
- In September 2013, after Clinton left office, the NARA enacted stricter guidelines forbidding the use of personal email except in emergencies.
- In late 2014, Clinton turned over 55,000 emails sent via her personal email address to conduct state business.
- Said emails are now preserved by an appropriate government agency.
- Monday, the NY Times reports that Clinton used personal email instead of a State Department address.

Unless/until they find something major while archiving her emails, this story is completely meaningless.

And, I mean, you do realize that having a State Department email address is not a panacea to prevent wrongdoing. Even if she had a State Department email address, that would not have stopped her from using a personal email address to conduct all the nefarious activities that she is apparently hiding.

Nixon would have loved you being on his side in 1972-73.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Since Benghazi didn't pan out, this is destined to be Hillary's Benghazi.

 

[bigpern23]

Nixon would have loved you being on his side in 1972-73.

Why?

 

[Boom_70]

It's really not about trusting the government or politicians (I certainly don't). The point is, quite simply, there is no wrongdoing in this story as of now.

This is how the story stands at the moment:
- Hillary Clinton exclusively used a personal email address to conduct state business during her time as Secretary of State.
- Under the Federal Records Act, this was not prohibited. It was required that all emails be preserved by an appropriate government agency.
- Clinton resigned as Secretary of State in February 2013
- In September 2013, after Clinton left office, the NARA enacted stricter guidelines forbidding the use of personal email except in emergencies.
- In late 2014, Clinton turned over 55,000 emails sent via her personal email address to conduct state business.
- Said emails are now preserved by an appropriate government agency.
- Monday, the NY Times reports that Clinton used personal email instead of a State Department address.

Unless/until they find something major while archiving her emails, this story is completely meaningless.

And, I mean, you do realize that having a State Department email address is not a panacea to prevent wrongdoing. Even if she had a State Department email address, that would not have stopped her from using a personal email address to conduct all the nefarious activities that she is apparently hiding.

Are you working with David Brock at Media Matters? ;):D

 

[bigpern23]

Are you working with David Brock at Media Matters? ;):D

Ha, I had to Google that, but well-played. :D

 

[Boom_70]

It won't be a full blown Clinton scandal until Lanny Davis starts making the rounds on the cables.