Dirtiest college hoops coaches ever...

[dixiehack]

Bliss should have been the first name mentioned...

Take it up with the guy who started the thread.

And we haven't had a Dale Brown sighting yet.

 

[Lester Bangs]

Chaney isn't dirty. Just too tempestuous for his own good. He was actually very committed to his kids' academic success. To me, he's Bobby Knight's twin, only he choked John Calipari, which is something all of us should try once in our lives.

On the topic of Jamaal Tinsley and Eustachy, it's my understanding that Marcus Fizer wasn't exactly dedicated to the classroom in his time in Ames. As for fruit of the poisoned tree, the Larry Eustachy-Tim Floyd-Kermit Davis trifecta has to be among the nation's worst.

 

[Piotr Rasputin]

I do not regard players getting paid as "dirty". I regard coaches who don't look out for their players' best interests as bad, be those educational or professional interests. There aren't any of Wooden's former players who don't testify that he did that.
I would condemn a coach who blows off a contract and his players for a "better" job 1000 times before I'd condemn a coach who let his kids get paid 1/1000th of what they were earning for the bloodsucking university athletic department.

Players getting paid can lead to asterisks in the NCAA record book, and thus embarrassment to the entire university. There is absolutely nothing good about players getting paid. A coach who leaves a program? Welcome to the working world. Players will find out about it soon enough. Do you want them, if they should become professional athletes, to give up their free agency rights? Every individual has the right to make their own professional decisions, based on what is best for them and their family first and foremost.

And . . . 1/1000th of what athletes make for the athletic department would seem to cover tuition, books, room, board, the offseason training table, and meals during the season. If the system is so unfair to young athletes, what about the 3.8 GPA/1400 SAT kid who still has to pay student loans into their 40s?

Still, neat to see West Coast scribes aren't the only ones who bend over backwards to saint Wooden with straw-man arguments about how horrible college athletes have it anyway, so who cared? He was a Wizard, right?

Speaking of straw-man arguments, there are very few 3.8 GPA/1400 SAT kids out there who can't get an academic scholarship. Very few.

Yes, the world is littered with kids like that on full rides at the best schools, right?

Come on, now.

 

[spinning27]

I love this thread. Great memories.

How about dirty coaches that idiot fans/media think are clean?

I haven't read further to see if anyone has said this yet but my vote goes to Jim Calhoun.

No question, he belongs right there with Pitino, K, and Roy.

 

[tapintoamerica]

The "kids" are paid. It's called a scholarship, and at some elite institutions it's valued at more than $40K/year. Furthermore, many of these student-athletes are only admitted to their institutions because of their athletic skill. If you don't shoot the 3-pointer but can't make an 800 on the SAT, how many chances do you get to qualify for admission at a competitive school? None. If you can shoot the 3-pointer, you get as many as you need.
Funny how these things get lost.

 

[BYH]

[blue]What? You think it's impossible to build a two-time national champion in a cow pasture without cheating?[/blue]

Calhoun strikes me, in recent years, as someone who has gone completely off the rails.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

The "kids" are paid. It's called a scholarship, and at some elite institutions it's valued at more than $40K/year. Furthermore, many of these student-athletes are only admitted to their institutions because of their athletic skill. If you don't shoot the 3-pointer but can't make an 800 on the SAT, how many chances do you get to qualify for admission at a competitive school? None. If you can shoot the 3-pointer, you get as many as you need.
Funny how these things get lost.

And the NCAA tournament is a multi-BILLION operation, based on cheap labor.
Your point being?

 

[Baron Scicluna]

The "kids" are paid. It's called a scholarship, and at some elite institutions it's valued at more than $40K/year. Furthermore, many of these student-athletes are only admitted to their institutions because of their athletic skill. If you don't shoot the 3-pointer but can't make an 800 on the SAT, how many chances do you get to qualify for admission at a competitive school? None. If you can shoot the 3-pointer, you get as many as you need.
Funny how these things get lost.

If the NCAA really cared about the athletes, then raise the academic standards even higher. Don't make the standards, tough sh-t. Spend more time studying and less time on your jump shot.
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And the NCAA tournament is a multi-BILLION operation, based on cheap labor.
Your point being?
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Like I've said in previous posts, if college sports is a business, then treat it as such. Let the players earn whatever money they want to, get whatever free cars or sneaker deals that they can. The NCAA can only hold onto the amateurism sham for so long. Look at the Olympics.

 

[F8vortex]

[blue]What? You think it's impossible to build a two-time national champion in a cow pasture without cheating?[/blue]

Well they have pigs there now too.

 

[Boobie Miles]

[blue]What? You think it's impossible to build a two-time national champion in a cow pasture without cheating?[/blue]

Well they have pigs there now too.

Let's keep the cheerleaders out of this.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

John Thompson got out because of an affair he was carrying on with a secretary or something at Georgetown.

His talk show now is the single worst thing on the radio. Ever. Honestly, the FCC should investigate it if it truly cares about the public's interest in owning the airwaves.

That's not the old Mary Fenlon canard, is it? C'mon, give Big John a little credit. He has his standards.

Yes, low.

Check into his finances, if you feel like it. They're fascinating.

 

[D-3 Fan]

Chaney isn't dirty. Just too tempestuous for his own good. He was actually very committed to his kids' academic success. To me, he's Bobby Knight's twin, only he choked John Calipari, which is something all of us should try once in our lives.

On the topic of Jamaal Tinsley and Eustachy, it's my understanding that Marcus Fizer wasn't exactly dedicated to the classroom in his time in Ames. As for fruit of the poisoned tree, the Larry Eustachy-Tim Floyd-Kermit Davis trifecta has to be among the nation's worst.

Fizer was going to go pro regardless. Tinsley was just biding time to take off anyway. Did that make Floyd and Eustachy rogue coaches? Hardly. Anyway, the Floyd-Eustachy tenure, for the most part, wasn't all that bad, unless you throw in the Natty Light fiasco. ISU wasn't under probation or faced sanctions.

Sam Mack, who played under Johnny Orr, robbed a Burger King in the middle of Ames. The kid behind the counter ID Mack by seeing the poster of Mack behind the actual Sam Mack.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

I don't know, D3, Eustachy's tenure was pretty much a festival o'dirtballery.

 

[93Devil]

Chaney isn't dirty. Just too tempestuous for his own good. He was actually very committed to his kids' academic success. To me, he's Bobby Knight's twin, only he choked John Calipari, which is something all of us should try once in our lives.

On the topic of Jamaal Tinsley and Eustachy, it's my understanding that Marcus Fizer wasn't exactly dedicated to the classroom in his time in Ames. As for fruit of the poisoned tree, the Larry Eustachy-Tim Floyd-Kermit Davis trifecta has to be among the nation's worst.

Fizer was going to go pro regardless. Tinsley was just biding time to take off anyway. Did that make Floyd and Eustachy rogue coaches? Hardly. Anyway, the Floyd-Eustachy tenure, for the most part, wasn't all that bad, unless you throw in the Natty Light fiasco. ISU wasn't under probation or faced sanctions.

Sam Mack, who played under Johnny Orr, robbed a Burger King in the middle of Ames. The kid behind the counter ID Mack by seeing the poster of Mack behind the actual Sam Mack.

And then Saint Bill decided mack was good enough for ASU.

This is a good read, but shameful if ASU is your Alma Mater.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1992-09-02/news/students-of-crime/full

Mack and a member of the Iowa State football team held up a Burger King in Ames. Mack carried a knife. The football player had a sawed-off shotgun. They forced workers and customers into the freezer at closing time.

But they were caught when one of the workers escaped and called the cops, who were at shift change only two blocks away. In the ensuing battle, Mack took two bullets in the legs.

During the trial, Mack said that he was forced into committing the crime against his will and that the members of the jury, two of them Iowa State season ticketholders, believed him. He was acquitted. The football player got 25 years.

Frieder had been Johnny Orr's assistant coach at the University of Michigan. All Frieder knew was that Sam Mack was a player with NBA potential, and that was enough to pick him as the very first recruit of the Frieder era at Arizona State.

"Can you imagine what the press in Michigan would have done if I tried to sign a guy like that?" Frieder chuckled to a Detroit News sportswriter. "But out here, they're ecstatic."
Nobody was ecstatic for long. Shortly after arriving on the ASU campus, Mack was arrested after a co-ed accused him of rape.

What was Frieder's reaction?
The first thing he did was tell the campus police that since Mack was a member of the basketball team, the rape charge was a basketball matter, not a police matter. When the police leaked this comment to the press, Frieder hit the roof.

"Someone in that office needs to be fired," Frieder said. "No one, not even my wife, knows I made that call. I challenge you all to find out who it was so we can fire his ass."
What about Mack?
Frieder assured one and all that Mack was innocent until proven guilty and that his scholarship would continue.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Chaney isn't dirty. Just too tempestuous for his own good. He was actually very committed to his kids' academic success. To me, he's Bobby Knight's twin, only he choked John Calipari, which is something all of us should try once in our lives.

On the topic of Jamaal Tinsley and Eustachy, it's my understanding that Marcus Fizer wasn't exactly dedicated to the classroom in his time in Ames. As for fruit of the poisoned tree, the Larry Eustachy-Tim Floyd-Kermit Davis trifecta has to be among the nation's worst.

Fizer was going to go pro regardless. Tinsley was just biding time to take off anyway. Did that make Floyd and Eustachy rogue coaches? Hardly. Anyway, the Floyd-Eustachy tenure, for the most part, wasn't all that bad, unless you throw in the Natty Light fiasco. ISU wasn't under probation or faced sanctions.

Sam Mack, who played under Johnny Orr, robbed a Burger King in the middle of Ames. The kid behind the counter ID Mack by seeing the poster of Mack behind the actual Sam Mack.

And then Saint Bill decided mack was good enough for ASU.

This is a good read, but shameful if ASU is your Alma Mater.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1992-09-02/news/students-of-crime/full

Mack and a member of the Iowa State football team held up a Burger King in Ames. Mack carried a knife. The football player had a sawed-off shotgun. They forced workers and customers into the freezer at closing time.

But they were caught when one of the workers escaped and called the cops, who were at shift change only two blocks away. In the ensuing battle, Mack took two bullets in the legs.

During the trial, Mack said that he was forced into committing the crime against his will and that the members of the jury, two of them Iowa State season ticketholders, believed him. He was acquitted. The football player got 25 years.

Frieder had been Johnny Orr's assistant coach at the University of Michigan. All Frieder knew was that Sam Mack was a player with NBA potential, and that was enough to pick him as the very first recruit of the Frieder era at Arizona State.

"Can you imagine what the press in Michigan would have done if I tried to sign a guy like that?" Frieder chuckled to a Detroit News sportswriter. "But out here, they're ecstatic."
Nobody was ecstatic for long. Shortly after arriving on the ASU campus, Mack was arrested after a co-ed accused him of rape.

What was Frieder's reaction?
The first thing he did was tell the campus police that since Mack was a member of the basketball team, the rape charge was a basketball matter, not a police matter. When the police leaked this comment to the press, Frieder hit the roof.

"Someone in that office needs to be fired," Frieder said. "No one, not even my wife, knows I made that call. I challenge you all to find out who it was so we can fire his ass."
What about Mack?
Frieder assured one and all that Mack was innocent until proven guilty and that his scholarship would continue.

Rape is a basketball matter, not a police matter? Did Frieder honestly think the cops would say, "O.K. coach. You take care of it. Besides, she should have just laid back and enjoyed it once it's inevitable, right?"

 

[Lester Bangs]

Chaney isn't dirty. Just too tempestuous for his own good. He was actually very committed to his kids' academic success. To me, he's Bobby Knight's twin, only he choked John Calipari, which is something all of us should try once in our lives.

On the topic of Jamaal Tinsley and Eustachy, it's my understanding that Marcus Fizer wasn't exactly dedicated to the classroom in his time in Ames. As for fruit of the poisoned tree, the Larry Eustachy-Tim Floyd-Kermit Davis trifecta has to be among the nation's worst.

Fizer was going to go pro regardless. Tinsley was just biding time to take off anyway. Did that make Floyd and Eustachy rogue coaches? Hardly. Anyway, the Floyd-Eustachy tenure, for the most part, wasn't all that bad, unless you throw in the Natty Light fiasco. ISU wasn't under probation or faced sanctions.

Sam Mack, who played under Johnny Orr, robbed a Burger King in the middle of Ames. The kid behind the counter ID Mack by seeing the poster of Mack behind the actual Sam Mack.

See, I am not as bothered by by Eustachy at the frat house stuff as I am by the fact that the three of them don't so much give guys second chances as they seem to thrive on bringing in guys who have no business on a college campus. If one of them is at your school, you can bet the admission's officer is reading the Kama Sutra, looking for new and creative ways to get a recruit in the door. That makes them no different than a lot of guys, I suppose, but having seen them firsthand, I guess I'm more inclined to be bothered by it.