Bruce Bochy: HOFer?

[CD Boogie]

Was looking at the list of career wins by managers and saw that Bochy is approaching 2000 career wins. Everyone ahead of him on the wins list is already in the Hall of Fame. Bochy has 3 World Series titles, yet surprisingly he has a sub-.500 career winning percentage, .498.

If he gets to .500, there'd really be no argument against his induction. But what if he stays below .500 and what if he even drops further? Will that be enough to overcome his 3 rings? I don't think so. That's as many rings as John McGraw, Tony LaRussa, Sparky Anderson and Miller Huggins. Besides, Connie Mack and Bucky Harris both had records that were below .500 and they're enshrined.

So he seems like a good bet. But who else of active or recently active managers?

I'd wager than Francona, Scioscia and Piniella make it, but Dusty Baker doesn't because he doesn't have a ring.

 

[Scout]

And took the Padres to the series.

In.

 

[Della9250]

He is a lock.

11th in wins. Every manager with at least three titles is in. Every manager with 4 pennants is in.

Scioscia won't make it unless he gets back into managing. The one title/pennant and win total isn't going to be enough, not for a guy who had 7 losing seasons out of 19 and missed the playoffs five other times.

Piniella and Leyland will be the next two managers to get inducted.

Francona is the only active manager who will be inducted. Maddon still has work to do and Roberts is laying a strong early foundation.

 

[Liut]

Yes. Didn't have to think about it.

Will love the day Jim Leyland is inducted.

 

[heyabbott]

He is a lock.

11th in wins. Every manager with at least three titles is in. Every manager with 4 pennants is in.

Scioscia won't make it unless he gets back into managing. The one title/pennant and win total isn't going to be enough, not for a guy who had 7 losing seasons out of 19 and missed the playoffs five other times.

Piniella and Leyland will be the next two managers to get inducted.

Francona is the only active manager who will be inducted. Maddon still has work to do and Roberts is laying a strong early foundation.

Is Ralph Houk appropriately left out?
3 pennants, 2 WS. 20th all time wins

 

[swingline]

Bochy seems like a no-brainer HOFamer to me.

 

[HanSenSE]

Of course he is.

 

[CD Boogie]

Of course he is.

BTW, your avatar reminds me of something I was thinking about: There's a real possibility that Jeffrey Leonard was the first player who was committed to wearing a cap with a flat brim. I know, important stuff. But seriously, I can't remember ever seeing someone prior to him who rocked it.

 

[Della9250]

Is Ralph Houk appropriately left out?
3 pennants, 2 WS. 20th all time wins

Houk I think is the dividing line for a couple of reasons -- the biggest being he is viewed as inheriting a dynasty and his biggest three seasons, the two titles and the pennant, are those three seasons. He managed 18 more seasons and never won another pennant. Nine of those were losing seasons and he only won more than 90 games once in that span.

There's 13 guys with 2 titles. Francona is one and not in obviously and Frank Chance is in as a player. So of the other 11, five are in. The others not are Houk, Kelly, Murtaugh, Gatson and two guys who managed seven and nine years respectively, so they obviously are not candidates at all.

The guys around him with less than three titles have at least one more pennant -- Lasorda, Williams, McKechnie -- or circumstances that are easily explained, like Al Lopez.

If Houk got in I don't think there would be an outcry, but if he leads a level with Mauch, Baker, Davey Johnson, Murtaugh and for now Piniella and Leyland as guys on the outside I think that's a fair arguement.

 

[CD Boogie]

Houk I think is the dividing line for a couple of reasons -- the biggest being he is viewed as inheriting a dynasty and his biggest three seasons, the two titles and the pennant, are those three seasons. He managed 18 more seasons and never won another pennant. Nine of those were losing seasons and he only won more than 90 games once in that span.

There's 13 guys with 2 titles. Francona is one and not in obviously and Frank Chance is in as a player. So of the other 11, five are in. The others not are Houk, Kelly, Murtaugh, Gatson and two guys who managed seven and nine years respectively, so they obviously are not candidates at all.

The guys around him with less than three titles have at least one more pennant -- Lasorda, Williams, McKechnie -- or circumstances that are easily explained, like Al Lopez.

If Houk got in I don't think there would be an outcry, but if he leads a level with Mauch, Baker, Davey Johnson, Murtaugh and for now Piniella and Leyland as guys on the outside I think that's a fair arguement.

I feel a duty to mention Billy Martin, who I believe deserves enshrinement. He was a Hall of Fame asshole, too.

 

[Spartan Squad]

This is a silly question. The real question is how overwhelmingly will the vote be

 

[CD Boogie]

This is a silly question. The real question is how overwhelmingly will the vote be

Who you calling silly, peckerwood?

jk.

 

[nietsroob17]

Yes. Didn't have to think about it.

Will love the day Jim Leyland is inducted.

Will the Marlboro be included on the plaque?

 

[HanSenSE]

Houk I think is the dividing line for a couple of reasons -- the biggest being he is viewed as inheriting a dynasty and his biggest three seasons, the two titles and the pennant, are those three seasons. He managed 18 more seasons and never won another pennant. Nine of those were losing seasons and he only won more than 90 games once in that span.

There's 13 guys with 2 titles. Francona is one and not in obviously and Frank Chance is in as a player. So of the other 11, five are in. The others not are Houk, Kelly, Murtaugh, Gatson and two guys who managed seven and nine years respectively, so they obviously are not candidates at all.

The guys around him with less than three titles have at least one more pennant -- Lasorda, Williams, McKechnie -- or circumstances that are easily explained, like Al Lopez.

If Houk got in I don't think there would be an outcry, but if he leads a level with Mauch, Baker, Davey Johnson, Murtaugh and for now Piniella and Leyland as guys on the outside I think that's a fair arguement.

So, you're saying Ralph Houk = Harold Baines?

 

[cyclingwriter2]

Harold Baines would be more akin to Gene Mauch or John McNamara.

 

[Della9250]

So, you're saying Ralph Houk = Harold Baines?

If we are going by undeserving Hall of Famers, Harold Baines = Wilbert Robinson

 

[CD Boogie]

If we are going by undeserving Hall of Famers, Harold Baines = Wilbert Robinson

Weren’t the Brooklyn Robins (precursor to the trolly Dodgers) named after him? That says something about his importance to the game at a certain point. I mean, how many pro teams have ever been named for a person? I can only think of this, the Naps for Lajoie and of course the NFL Browns. Were the MLB Browns named after someone?

 

[Spartan Squad]

Who you calling silly, peckerwood?

jk.

Oh yeah!!???

 

[Della9250]

Weren’t the Brooklyn Robins (precursor to the trolly Dodgers) named after him? That says something about his importance to the game at a certain point. I mean, how many pro teams have ever been named for a person? I can only think of this, the Naps for Lajoie and of course the NFL Browns. Were the MLB Browns named after someone?

It's what they were known as but it wasn't technically an official name from the team.

Either way, the guy managed for 19 seasons. He won two pennants, no titles and had 11 losing seasons.

His season finishes:
1st twice
2nd once
3rd once
4th twice
5th four
6th six
7th twice
8th once

 

[CD Boogie]

It's what they were known as but it wasn't technically an official name from the team.

Either way, the guy managed for 19 seasons. He won two pennants, no titles and had 11 losing seasons.

His season finishes:
1st twice
2nd once
3rd once
4th twice
5th four
6th six
7th twice
8th once

I got a soft spot for Robbie. He was among the future skippers — McGraw, Jennings — who came up under my great great grandfather Ned Hanlon. If you say Ned doesn’t belong in the Hall, I might have to fight you