A different blog issue

[sprtswrtr10]

Hey guys, sports editor/columnist at Big 12 daily here.

Nobody's come to us about blogs yet. Thank goodness.
And the reason I say that is, when they do, they will not come in with any more money.
Frankly, it's the kind of thing I can do in my sleep and, I think, still make it interesting, but I'm just opposed to my bosses saying "do this" as though we're not already working on our days off, covering more than any other sports editor and crew at this paper ever have, etc., etc., etc.

By the same token, I've wondered about the possibility of starting my own blog, maybe on my own website.
I'm not a big sports personality in my area (there's a statewide paper about 25 miles away) but I don't think I'm completely off the radar. I don't know if I could make any money doing it myself, but I'd kind of like to be able to say, — should my bosses come to me and ask me to blog — that I'm already doing one on my own time and it's doing quite well.

I don't know. Maybe it's pie in the sky as far any financial gain is concerned.

At the same time, I'd be interested in raising my profile (it might pay off in other things: freelance, radio?) and maybe just seeing what my opportunities in that direction might be.

Any suggestions?
Is it doable.
Is it a big hassle.
How does one do it.
Really, any information would be welcome.


Thanks,
sprtswrtr10

 

[thebiglead]

There isn't a whole lot of money in blogging ... unless you hook up with a group, such as Gawker Media. That way, advertisers can get their ads on about 10 blogs ... not just one.

As much fun as I'm having do this, you'd laugh if I told you how much money I've made in the 8 or so months since I've been doing it full time. So don't ask.

It can, however, lead to other writing opportunities ...

 

[henryhenry]

There isn't a whole lot of money in blogging ... unless you hook up with a group, such as Gawker Media. That way, advertisers can get their ads on about 10 blogs ... not just one.

As much fun as I'm having do this, you'd laugh if I told you how much money I've made in the 8 or so months since I've been doing it full time. So don't ask.

It can, however, lead to other writing opportunities ...

sprtswrtr10 will use a name on his blog - a real name. so that when he writes something he will personally stand accountable for what he writes. the way journalists do it.

how the hell can you give him advice? geez. can you be any more pretentious?

 

[Ace]

sprts,

I would hazard a guess that your employers would not take too kindly to your blogging for (meager) profit when you are loathe to blog for free for them unless they can piggyback to the link.

 

[cranberry]

The man has a good point. if his blog is considered to be of value to the paper (why else would the paper ask for it?), then that additional value should be reflected in his compensation. If the company wants him to bring his blog over to the newspaper site, they should negotiate with him. The same holds true with folks who are asked to go on camera. Why should someone provide additional value without additional compensation?

 

[Ace]

The man has a good point. if his blog is considered to be of value to the paper (why else would the paper ask for it?), then that additional value should be reflected in his compensation. If the company wants him to bring his blog over to the newspaper site, they should negotiate with him. The same holds true with folks who are asked to go on camera. Why should someone provide additional value without additional compensation?

Because the paper will make some noise about adjusting schedules or some such.

 

[cranberry]

The man has a good point. if his blog is considered to be of value to the paper (why else would the paper ask for it?), then that additional value should be reflected in his compensation. If the company wants him to bring his blog over to the newspaper site, they should negotiate with him. The same holds true with folks who are asked to go on camera. Why should someone provide additional value without additional compensation?

Because the paper will make some noise about adjusting schedules or some such.

Well, there's that of course. Maybe some split days off and some bad assignments, too.

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

There isn't a whole lot of money in blogging ... unless you hook up with a group, such as Gawker Media. That way, advertisers can get their ads on about 10 blogs ... not just one.

As much fun as I'm having do this, you'd laugh if I told you how much money I've made in the 8 or so months since I've been doing it full time. So don't ask.

It can, however, lead to other writing opportunities ...

sprtswrtr10 will use a name on his blog - a real name. so that when he writes something he will personally stand accountable for what he writes. the way journalists do it.

how the hell can you give him advice? geez. can you be any more pretentious?

The Big Lead has one of the best sports blogs going and he got it up and going in just a few months.

sprtswrtr10 asked about a blog on the side as a potential revenue source and The Big Lead gave him the lowdown on realistic expectations.

You on the other hand chimed in just to call The Big Lead "pretentious". I ask you - who was of more help to sprtswrtr10? You or The Big Lead?

For my $.02 - blogging is either something you want to do or you don't. If you feel the desire to put extra thoughts and observations into blog form (thoughts and observations that otherwise wouldn't get into your paper) - then do it. If you don't feel that desire and blogging is a chore that you think you have to do - don't blog.

Blogging can help you get pretty good main jobs (see Aaron Gleeman) or pretty good side work (see Eric McErlain). But for every Aaron Gleeman.com and OffWingOpinion there are hundreds of blogs that died on the vine because the author didn't keep up the volume and quality of work on the blog to build up a readership.

Blogging can lead to bigger and better things. Just ask Mike Reiss who went from having a blog on the Patriots to being who many consider the top beat writer on the Patriots in all of New England. At the very least - if you start a blog and your boss wants to incorporate that into the papers offerings - then that should help with you job security situation and spread your name even more. But if you don't want to blog for fun - don't blog to begin with.

 

[BG]

Hey guys, sports editor/columnist at Big 12 daily here.

Nobody's come to us about blogs yet. Thank goodness.
And the reason I say that is, when they do, they will not come in with any more money.
Frankly, it's the kind of thing I can do in my sleep and, I think, still make it interesting, but I'm just opposed to my bosses saying "do this" as though we're not already working on our days off, covering more than any other sports editor and crew at this paper ever have, etc., etc., etc.

By the same token, I've wondered about the possibility of starting my own blog, maybe on my own website.
I'm not a big sports personality in my area (there's a statewide paper about 25 miles away) but I don't think I'm completely off the radar. I don't know if I could make any money doing it myself, but I'd kind of like to be able to say, — should my bosses come to me and ask me to blog — that I'm already doing one on my own time and it's doing quite well.

I don't know. Maybe it's pie in the sky as far any financial gain is concerned.

At the same time, I'd be interested in raising my profile (it might pay off in other things: freelance, radio?) and maybe just seeing what my opportunities in that direction might be.

Any suggestions?
Is it doable.
Is it a big hassle.
How does one do it.
Really, any information would be welcome.


Thanks,
sprtswrtr10

There's a little money to be made. I've been blogging for about 3.5 years, and for the first year and a half, there was no income at all. But last year I made about $8500 via sidebar text ads and sponsorship from a blogging network backed by AT&T. Not a ton of dough after taxes, but a nice little addition to the vacation fund, especially since it's something that I enjoy doing.

Anyway, good luck.

 

[SF_Express]

sprts,

I would hazard a guess that your employers would not take too kindly to your blogging for (meager) profit when you are loathe to blog for free for them unless they can piggyback to the link.

Yeah, ace, you beat me too it.

At the very least, you'd better have permission. There has been discipline and firings based on the outside blog activities of people working at newspapers.

 

[henryhenry]

There isn't a whole lot of money in blogging ... unless you hook up with a group, such as Gawker Media. That way, advertisers can get their ads on about 10 blogs ... not just one.

As much fun as I'm having do this, you'd laugh if I told you how much money I've made in the 8 or so months since I've been doing it full time. So don't ask.

It can, however, lead to other writing opportunities ...

sprtswrtr10 will use a name on his blog - a real name. so that when he writes something he will personally stand accountable for what he writes. the way journalists do it.

how the hell can you give him advice? geez. can you be any more pretentious?

The Big Lead has one of the best sports blogs going and he got it up and going in just a few months.

sprtswrtr10 asked about a blog on the side as a potential revenue source and The Big Lead gave him the lowdown on realistic expectations.

You on the other hand chimed in just to call The Big Lead "pretentious". I ask you - who was of more help to sprtswrtr10? You or The Big Lead?

For my $.02 - blogging is either something you want to do or you don't. If you feel the desire to put extra thoughts and observations into blog form (thoughts and observations that otherwise wouldn't get into your paper) - then do it. If you don't feel that desire and blogging is a chore that you think you have to do - don't blog.

Blogging can help you get pretty good main jobs (see Aaron Gleeman) or pretty good side work (see Eric McErlain). But for every Aaron Gleeman.com and OffWingOpinion there are hundreds of blogs that died on the vine because the author didn't keep up the volume and quality of work on the blog to build up a readership.

Blogging can lead to bigger and better things. Just ask Mike Reiss who went from having a blog on the Patriots to being who many consider the top beat writer on the Patriots in all of New England. At the very least - if you start a blog and your boss wants to incorporate that into the papers offerings - then that should help with you job security situation and spread your name even more. But if you don't want to blog for fun - don't blog to begin with.

mike reiss wasn't anonymous. that's my advice - don't be anonymous. it's creepy, furtive, and sophomoric.

 

[Ace]

There isn't a whole lot of money in blogging ... unless you hook up with a group, such as Gawker Media. That way, advertisers can get their ads on about 10 blogs ... not just one.

As much fun as I'm having do this, you'd laugh if I told you how much money I've made in the 8 or so months since I've been doing it full time. So don't ask.

It can, however, lead to other writing opportunities ...

sprtswrtr10 will use a name on his blog - a real name. so that when he writes something he will personally stand accountable for what he writes. the way journalists do it.

how the hell can you give him advice? geez. can you be any more pretentious?

The Big Lead has one of the best sports blogs going and he got it up and going in just a few months.

sprtswrtr10 asked about a blog on the side as a potential revenue source and The Big Lead gave him the lowdown on realistic expectations.

You on the other hand chimed in just to call The Big Lead "pretentious". I ask you - who was of more help to sprtswrtr10? You or The Big Lead?

For my $.02 - blogging is either something you want to do or you don't. If you feel the desire to put extra thoughts and observations into blog form (thoughts and observations that otherwise wouldn't get into your paper) - then do it. If you don't feel that desire and blogging is a chore that you think you have to do - don't blog.

Blogging can help you get pretty good main jobs (see Aaron Gleeman) or pretty good side work (see Eric McErlain). But for every Aaron Gleeman.com and OffWingOpinion there are hundreds of blogs that died on the vine because the author didn't keep up the volume and quality of work on the blog to build up a readership.

Blogging can lead to bigger and better things. Just ask Mike Reiss who went from having a blog on the Patriots to being who many consider the top beat writer on the Patriots in all of New England. At the very least - if you start a blog and your boss wants to incorporate that into the papers offerings - then that should help with you job security situation and spread your name even more. But if you don't want to blog for fun - don't blog to begin with.

mike reiss wasn't anonymous. that's my advice - don't be anonymous. it's creepy, furtive, and sophomoric.

That's pretty ironic, "henry"

 

[tenacious_g]

In August, I started my own blog on blogspot.com after asking since spring football to get one up and running by the start of the college football season. When the internet folks didn't come through, I started my own and it is now out producing (in page views) the features and business sections on my paper's Web site.

My editors are well aware of my blog and I do plenty of cross-promoting. What I blog about is often pretty close to what I'm writing about so I often link to our own paper and it tends to drive up hits for both.

I think whether many want to admit it or not, blogging and other internet reader interaction is a necessary evolution in the business (this coming from a 28 year old newbie). Embracing it as soon as possible and trying to do it the right way would be the best thing we can do. The ugly side of blogging is lazy, anonymous journalism. The good side can be a great asset to the print and online product, which I would think we all agree is an asset to our proffession.

I can tell you this, though, it is a lot more work to do a blog successfully than most would think. You need multiple posts a day and offer up something not in print to make readers include you in their daily surfing schedule. If you post just once or twice a week, there is no reason for a reader to make you a regular part of his Web routine.

Just my ignorant $.02.

 

[Angola!]

There isn't a whole lot of money in blogging ... unless you hook up with a group, such as Gawker Media. That way, advertisers can get their ads on about 10 blogs ... not just one.

As much fun as I'm having do this, you'd laugh if I told you how much money I've made in the 8 or so months since I've been doing it full time. So don't ask.

It can, however, lead to other writing opportunities ...

sprtswrtr10 will use a name on his blog - a real name.  so that when he writes something he will personally stand accountable for what he writes.  the way journalists do it.

how the hell can you give him advice? geez. can you be any more pretentious?

The Big Lead has one of the best sports blogs going and he got it up and going in just a few months.

sprtswrtr10 asked about a blog on the side as a potential revenue source and The Big Lead gave him the lowdown on realistic expectations.

You on the other hand chimed in just to call The Big Lead "pretentious". I ask you - who was of more help to sprtswrtr10? You or The Big Lead?

For my $.02 - blogging is either something you want to do or you don't. If you feel the desire to put extra thoughts and observations into blog form (thoughts and observations that otherwise wouldn't get into your paper) - then do it. If you don't feel that desire and blogging is a chore that you think you have to do - don't blog.

Blogging can help you get pretty good main jobs (see Aaron Gleeman) or pretty good side work (see Eric McErlain). But for every Aaron Gleeman.com and OffWingOpinion there are hundreds of blogs that died on the vine because the author didn't keep up the volume and quality of work on the blog to build up a readership.

Blogging can lead to bigger and better things. Just ask Mike Reiss who went from having a blog on the Patriots to being who many consider the top beat writer on the Patriots in all of New England. At the very least - if you start a blog and your boss wants to incorporate that into the papers offerings - then that should help with you job security situation and spread your name even more. But if you don't want to blog for fun - don't blog to begin with.

mike reiss wasn't anonymous. that's my advice - don't be anonymous.  it's creepy, furtive, and sophomoric.

That's pretty ironic, "henry"

Just because "henry" is posting under an anonymous name on SportsJournalists.com doesn't make it ironic, Ace. I assume Henry is not trying to impress people or make a name for himself or bring in additional revenue by posting here.

 

[henryhenry]

thank you angola. i couldn't have said it better.

 

[DyePack]

thank you angola. i couldn't have said it better.

I'll say it more bluntly. You're an ftard, henri. The only blog you could maintain would be one about yourself, both fists 3/4 closed, working in synch, as you fantasize about the Chronicle.

 

[John Newsom]

Nobody's come to us about blogs yet. Thank goodness.

You ought to be going to your bosses with the idea, not the other way around. Blogging is just another way to get what's in your brain (and your reporters' brains) out into the public without waiting for the presses to start.

It's the kind of thing I can do in my sleep and, I think, still make it interesting.

Probably not. I've been blogging (for work, yes) for two years, and I'm nowhere near mastering it, and I'm usually awake when I post. The fact that you write for a living probably makes you a better writer than a lot of bloggers. But do you have something to say? Can you add to the discussion? Can you provoke some sort of reaction? It's not as easy as it looks.

If you're curious about how blogging works, go to blogger or blogspot or myspace (shudder) and start one. But check with your bosses for possible conflict issues. I'm lucky because my paper is big into blogging, and a couple of the reporters have personal blogs that management (a) knows about and (b) is fine with. Your mileage may vary, especially if you're writing about the topics covered by your day job.

 

[henryhenry]

thank you angola. i couldn't have said it better.

I'll say it more bluntly. You're an ftard, henri. The only blog you could maintain would be one about yourself, both fists 3/4 closed, working in synch, as you fantasize about the Chronicle.

dyepack, you have mastered the art of sounding clever and witty and arch without actually making sense. all of your name-calling - your whole cute vocabulary of ftard and other piercing ripostes - obscure your hollow intellectual core behind a mask of bravado. i don't think you actually stand for anything or believe in anything other than needling other posters. if that's how you get your kicks, more power to you. but you never actually make sense or contribute a cogent idea. i hate getting personal on these things, but hey, that's all you seem to want to do. you simply can't discuss an issue without making it personal. i have no doubt you are a lonely embittered person who has ****ed up his personal life to a fair-thee-well.

 

[Ace]

There isn't a whole lot of money in blogging ... unless you hook up with a group, such as Gawker Media. That way, advertisers can get their ads on about 10 blogs ... not just one.

As much fun as I'm having do this, you'd laugh if I told you how much money I've made in the 8 or so months since I've been doing it full time. So don't ask.

It can, however, lead to other writing opportunities ...

sprtswrtr10 will use a name on his blog - a real name. so that when he writes something he will personally stand accountable for what he writes. the way journalists do it.

how the hell can you give him advice? geez. can you be any more pretentious?

The Big Lead has one of the best sports blogs going and he got it up and going in just a few months.

sprtswrtr10 asked about a blog on the side as a potential revenue source and The Big Lead gave him the lowdown on realistic expectations.

You on the other hand chimed in just to call The Big Lead "pretentious". I ask you - who was of more help to sprtswrtr10? You or The Big Lead?

For my $.02 - blogging is either something you want to do or you don't. If you feel the desire to put extra thoughts and observations into blog form (thoughts and observations that otherwise wouldn't get into your paper) - then do it. If you don't feel that desire and blogging is a chore that you think you have to do - don't blog.

Blogging can help you get pretty good main jobs (see Aaron Gleeman) or pretty good side work (see Eric McErlain). But for every Aaron Gleeman.com and OffWingOpinion there are hundreds of blogs that died on the vine because the author didn't keep up the volume and quality of work on the blog to build up a readership.

Blogging can lead to bigger and better things. Just ask Mike Reiss who went from having a blog on the Patriots to being who many consider the top beat writer on the Patriots in all of New England. At the very least - if you start a blog and your boss wants to incorporate that into the papers offerings - then that should help with you job security situation and spread your name even more. But if you don't want to blog for fun - don't blog to begin with.

mike reiss wasn't anonymous. that's my advice - don't be anonymous. it's creepy, furtive, and sophomoric.

That's pretty ironic, "henry"

Just because "henry" is posting under an anonymous name on SportsJournalists.com doesn't make it ironic, Ace. I assume Henry is not trying to impress people or make a name for himself or bring in additional revenue by posting here.

Shoot, it has layers of irony like an onion because "henry" is anonymously posting (however coinidentally) under the name of a well-known journalist.

 

[thebiglead]

Thanks for the kind words, Chris.

As for Henry, I'm sorry you don't like the anon thing. But having a full-time job in the media and writing a blog that occasionally skewers the media would not go over well. I'd be fired and out of a job.

I do enjoy your blog (i can only assume you blog at sportsmediaguide.com since you link to every new story they post), and one day soon, hopefully TBL will generate enough income to make it a full-time gig.