UAW - Game Over!

[poindexter]

GM offers buyout to every North American hourly worker.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/12/news/companies/gm/index.htm?cnn=yes

GM Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner said in a statement:
"We've worked with our UAW partners to ensure our employees have a variety of attractive options to consider. The special attrition program is an important initiative that will help us transform the workforce."

They've become like Kwame Brown or other NBA do-nothings. Nothing more than salary cap baggage to GM, just hanging around.

 

[MU_was_not_so_hard]

Hourly employees getting a $45k buyout isn't horrible. Could have been like $1,000 for every year of service or worse, what newspapers are doing.

 

[Boom_70]

Walter Reuther is spinning in his grave. Story did not say but I imagine that GM will hire back many of the workers that they bought out as non union laborers.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Imagine if we had a Scretary of Labor who cared about, well, Labor.
Oops, I'm sorry. What was I thinking?

 

[Flying Headbutt]

Oh he cares about labor. Making sure someone is doing it for not much money.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

It's a she, isn't it?
Elaine Chao McConnell beard...er..wife of Mitch.

 

[Boom_70]

It's a she, isn't it?
Elaine Chao McConnell beard...er..wife of Mitch.

Chaio to the UAW

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Not bad, Boom.

 

[SigR]

Imagine if we had a Scretary of Labor who cared about, well, Labor.
Oops, I'm sorry. What was I thinking?

Without jobs, there isn't a need for labor. Something socialists seem to forget.

Unions did their part to sink the auto industry in the U.S., and it's finally time to pay the piper.

 

[Boom_70]

Imagine if we had a Scretary of Labor who cared about, well, Labor.
Oops, I'm sorry. What was I thinking?

Without jobs, there isn't a need for labor. Something socialists seem to forget.

Unions did their part to sink the auto industry in the U.S., and it's finally time to pay the piper.

I think its payback from the Japanese. We sunk their boats and now they are sinking our auto industry 60 years later.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Imagine if we had a Scretary of Labor who cared about, well, Labor.
Oops, I'm sorry. What was I thinking?

Without jobs, there isn't a need for labor. Something socialists seem to forget.

Unions did their part to sink the auto industry in the U.S., and it's finally time to pay the piper.

And so much for a century in which building a viable middle-class was considered important.

 

[Boom_70]

Imagine if we had a Scretary of Labor who cared about, well, Labor.
Oops, I'm sorry. What was I thinking?

Without jobs, there isn't a need for labor. Something socialists seem to forget.

Unions did their part to sink the auto industry in the U.S., and it's finally time to pay the piper.

And so much for a century in which building a viable middle-class was considered important.

We'll have Rouge River again in a few years. This time we will be able to see the riots live on CNN

 

[SigR]

Imagine if we had a Scretary of Labor who cared about, well, Labor.
Oops, I'm sorry. What was I thinking?

Without jobs, there isn't a need for labor. Something socialists seem to forget.

Unions did their part to sink the auto industry in the U.S., and it's finally time to pay the piper.

And so much for a century in which building a viable middle-class was considered important.

In terms of raw wealth, even the upper "lower class" is far wealthier than any "middle" class was 100 years ago. People are forever looking at comparitive wealth instead of absolute wealth. Yeah, there are poor people today when you compare them with middle-class today. But absolute wealth shows that people live longer, eat better, and have far more leisure time, disposable income and property than ever before.

The reason for this progress is simple: free market capitalism. Which necessitates that there is a "capital" class who has an abundance of wealth in order to create the jobs that everybody else relies on to live a comfortable life. It's easy to throw up our fists at the corporations and shout things like "cruel" and "heartless", but when we feel like doing that we also ought to remember that the corporations have been the prime creators of absolute wealth by providing jobs and a competitive market-place where everyone has an incentive to do their best.

 

[novelist_wannabe]

And the left-wing shout-down begins in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Corporations provide a competitive marketplace.
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHA.

 

[kleeda]

Imagine if we had a Scretary of Labor who cared about, well, Labor.
Oops, I'm sorry. What was I thinking?

Without jobs, there isn't a need for labor. Something socialists seem to forget.

Unions did their part to sink the auto industry in the U.S., and it's finally time to pay the piper.

And so much for a century in which building a viable middle-class was considered important.

In terms of raw wealth, even the upper "lower class" is far wealthier than any "middle" class was 100 years ago. People are forever looking at comparitive wealth instead of absolute wealth. Yeah, there are poor people today when you compare them with middle-class today. But absolute wealth shows that people live longer, eat better, and have far more leisure time, disposable income and property than ever before.

The reason for this progress is simple: free market capitalism. Which necessitates that there is a "capital" class who has an abundance of wealth in order to create the jobs that everybody else relies on to live a comfortable life. It's easy to throw up our fists at the corporations and shout things like "cruel" and "heartless", but when we feel like doing that we also ought to remember that the corporations have been the prime creators of absolute wealth by providing jobs and a competitive market-place where everyone has an incentive to do their best.

Your sensible arguments will have no place here. Warning you.
And I must say as a longtime industry watcher (and mechanic), good ol' Murican engineers and management share in the U.S. auto industry's misery. They aren't hourly. But the hourly workers probably deserve about half the blame.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Please explain the historic role of the untrammelled, unregulated corporation in creating a viable and functioning middle class, without the benefit of organized labor. Please cite examples.

 

[Boom_70]

Imagine if we had a Scretary of Labor who cared about, well, Labor.
Oops, I'm sorry. What was I thinking?

Without jobs, there isn't a need for labor. Something socialists seem to forget.

Unions did their part to sink the auto industry in the U.S., and it's finally time to pay the piper.

And so much for a century in which building a viable middle-class was considered important.

In terms of raw wealth, even the upper "lower class" is far wealthier than any "middle" class was 100 years ago. People are forever looking at comparitive wealth instead of absolute wealth. Yeah, there are poor people today when you compare them with middle-class today. But absolute wealth shows that people live longer, eat better, and have far more leisure time, disposable income and property than ever before.

The reason for this progress is simple: free market capitalism. Which necessitates that there is a "capital" class who has an abundance of wealth in order to create the jobs that everybody else relies on to live a comfortable life. It's easy to throw up our fists at the corporations and shout things like "cruel" and "heartless", but when we feel like doing that we also ought to remember that the corporations have been the prime creators of absolute wealth by providing jobs and a competitive market-place where everyone has an incentive to do their best.

Your sensible arguments will have no place here. Warning you.
And I must say as a longtime industry watcher (and mechanic), good ol' Murican engineers and management share in the U.S. auto industry's misery. They aren't hourly. But the hourly workers probably deserve about half the blame.

short of not allowing Toyota to build plants here I am not sure what else could be done.

There is no really easy way to unwind what has been built up over the years.

The older airlines are in the same boat. How can they possibly compete with the Jet Blues of the world.

 

[slappy4428]

Imagine if we had a Scretary of Labor who cared about, well, Labor.
Oops, I'm sorry. What was I thinking?

You should know better... Secretary Foof serves President Stupid.

 

[kleeda]

Imagine if we had a Scretary of Labor who cared about, well, Labor.
Oops, I'm sorry. What was I thinking?

You should know better... Secretary Foof serves President Stupid.

I still fail to see what this has to do with the price of (cars) in China.