Several dead at Houston concert

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Here's some footage of a bunch of fans destroying an entrance earlier in the day and flooding into the venue past overwhelmed security and police:



I can't imagine why that wasn't a huge red flag for the organizers that some really bad **** might happen later, with effectively zero crowd control.
 
I'm going to guess the Astros are affiliated with this thing because of its name and locale.
They thought losing the World Series was the worst thing that would happen to them this week. Not even close.
 
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I took a sociology course that largely dealt with how crowds work and The Who concert tragedy was the test case we ran most of the analysis through. We as a society had seemingly solved most of the issues that that concert and others like it had leading to the stampede and have a much better understanding of how people react in situations like that, so it will be interesting to see all the factors that played into this happening again.
 
I'm going to guess the Astros are affiliated with this thing because of its name and locale.
They thought losing the World Series was the worst thing that would happen to them this week. Not even close.

As a transplant Houstonian, I'm guessing it's more connected with the Astroworld theme park that used to be there (near the Astrodome as well) until it was demolished about 16 years ago.
 
I'm going to guess the Astros are affiliated with this thing because of its name and locale.
They thought losing the World Series was the worst thing that would happen to them this week. Not even close.
I've been to texas one time in my life, but I am pretty sure that half the stuff in Houston is "Astro"-related. Not because of the team, but a jump off of the aerospace industry in the 1960s.
I'd be willing to bet 1000 internet bucks that the team has nothing to do with this.
 
Travis Scott tours with that AstroWorld theme at every venue. It's not specific to Houston.
Thanks. I'm not familiar with Scott's work.
If I'm the Houston Astros, however, I point out on background to anybody who asks that the team has no involvement.
 
This is from 2017 and I wonder if it happened again last night ...

As things started to heat up during his set, Scott invited fans to make one last push toward the pit if they wanted to get closer to the stage. Multiple people who spoke to Complex said he yelled at fans to take advantage of the opportunity and bypass security. "If you want to get to the pit this is your last chance," said Scott. "Fill the pit. Security, let them through! Security, let them through!"
Rogers PD would later confirm this version of events, citing Scott's bypass of security in their statement on his arrest.
"During the concert, [Scott] encouraged people to rush the stage and bypass the security protocols to ensure concert goer safety," said Rogers PD. "During the rush to the stage several people were injured, including an employee from the security company hired to help monitor and control the crowd, and a member of the police department.


https://www.complex.com/music/2017/05/travis-scott-arrest-arkansas-concert-riot-fan-reaction
 
CNN.com headline: "Many dead and injured at Astroworld Festival in Houston"

I am not trying to be callous, but there is a big gulf between eight and "many."
 
I've been at "festival seating" shows where people crush toward the stage, and it's not pretty. The Pearl Jam Soldier Field concert in 1995 comes to mind. A couple friends and I were former offensive linemen, and we formed a 3-man "wedge" to push away from the stage and help some rather petite and freaking out girls through the crowd.

I also recall that security switched into lifesaver mode and pulled people who can't breathe/were getting crushed over the barrier in front of the stage.

Unfortunately, it doesn't always work like that — as PJ found out a few years later.

If people fall down in the midst of a crowd rushing the stage in a dark, hot, opening-seating area, it's easy to see how tragedies can happen. Sorry to hear about this show.
 
My wife used to work EMS in Houston. They were onsite for one of the festival tours one hot summer day. Near the end of a set, the lead singer of the band on stage got the crowd to separate down the middle and then ordered them to recreate the fight scene from Braveheart. They did. Shortly after that day, my wife decided that maybe EMS wasn’t what she wanted to do with her life.

also, AstroWorld was a theme park near the Astrodome. It was demolished at some point and became a grass parking lot for Reliant/NRG field. I know this because we parked there for a show with my brother in law, who had been living out of state for 10 years and looked around and said, “hey wasn’t this astroworld?”
 
I was always a bit freaked out for women and smaller guys in festival seating venues. At 200-230 pounds, I usually could stand my ground when I felt a surge behind me (and I tend to always try to stay towards the outer edges of the pack). At 110-120 pounds surrounded by drunk dudes? I can’t imagine. And then if you get a real surge, it doesn’t matter who you are.
 

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