Serena to retire

[Azrael]

Serena Williams Says She Will Retire From Tennis After U.S. Open

 

[heyabbott]

Bye Felicia
https://youtu.be/B1Cc9u7z_iE


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[Azrael]

Ah, the racist / sexist double standard train is never late.

Now do McEnroe. Or Connors. Or Nastase. Or Zverev.

Or, conversely, **** right off.

Thanks!

 

[Cosmo]

Yeah, no one is perfect. Serena has been enjoyable to watch but you can also acknowledge that she can turn surly and dour -- to the detriment of her game -- when she's not in the proper mindspace. She's also about to be 41, and I don't love any athlete trudging to the finish line. I suspect we'll see Federer take one more crack at Wimbledon and hear a similar announcement next summer.

 

[heyabbott]

Ah, the racist / sexist double standard train is never late.

Now do McEnroe. Or Connors. Or Nastase. Or Zverev.

Or, conversely, **** right off.

Thanks!

McEnroe had and has self awareness which Serena has never had. Connors was brash and rude at times but never rose to the level Of hostile and threatening actions of Williams. Nastase was a ******* on the level of Serena. As great a player as Serena was, she is a selfish, violent, antagonistic, hateful, surly privileged immature person her entire career. As one of the most respected players of any generation, rich beyond almost any other athlete she was always, All ways, a victim. She lost to Osaka and by her antics caused great psychological problems for that child for which she has never been held accountable.

 

[Azrael]

nah

 

[JC]

McEnroe had and has self awareness which Serena has never had. Connors was brash and rude at times but never rose to the level Of hostile and threatening actions of Williams. Nastase was a ******* on the level of Serena. As great a player as Serena was, she is a selfish, violent, antagonistic, hateful, surly privileged immature person her entire career. As one of the most respected players of any generation, rich beyond almost any other athlete she was always, All ways, a victim. She lost to Osaka and by her antics caused great psychological problems for that child for which she has never been held accountable.

I see there’s another sport you are clueless about.

 

[Tarheel316]

Ah, the racist / sexist double standard train is never late.

Now do McEnroe. Or Connors. Or Nastase. Or Zverev.

Or, conversely, **** right off.

Thanks!

Or Safin.

 

[BTExpress]

Safin was murder on rackets. Didn't abuse humans as much as the others.

 

[User 11148]

Her "shove this tennis ball" tantrum at that poor line judge was right up there with the "greats" of bad behavior (McEnroe, Connors, Nastase, et al.). I always wondered if there was a little bit of calculation in her reaction ... the foot fault gave Clijsters two match points ... along the lines of, "**** it, I've lost anyway."

Nevertheless ... maybe the greatest ever, but Father Time is undefeated.

 

[BTExpress]

Clijsters . . . oh, yeah. The mother who actually WON a Grand Slam tournament.

 

[heyabbott]

Her "shove this tennis ball" tantrum at that poor line judge was right up there with the "greats" of bad behavior (McEnroe, Connors, Nastase, et al.). I always wondered if there was a little bit of calculation in her reaction ... the foot fault gave Clijsters two match points ... along the lines of, "**** it, I've lost anyway."

Nevertheless ... maybe the greatest ever, but Father Time is undefeated.

Getting old sucks, even for arch villains.

 

[Azrael]

Serena Williams's Farewell to Tennis—In Her Own Words

 

[User 150927]

McEnroe had and has self awareness which Serena has never had. Connors was brash and rude at times but never rose to the level Of hostile and threatening actions of Williams. Nastase was a ******* on the level of Serena. As great a player as Serena was, she is a selfish, violent, antagonistic, hateful, surly privileged immature person her entire career. As one of the most respected players of any generation, rich beyond almost any other athlete she was always, All ways, a victim. She lost to Osaka and by her antics caused great psychological problems for that child for which she has never been held accountable.

It's absolutely amazing you categorize Serena as violent but not McEnroe. That tells on you, not her. She's the greatest female tennis player in the history of the game and you can't see past her skin.

 

[BTExpress]

A lot of people don’t realize that I was two months pregnant when I won the Australian Open in 2017.

Sounds downright . . . Trumpian.

Believe me, I never wanted to have to choose between tennis and a family. I don’t think it’s fair. If I were a guy, I wouldn’t be writing this because I’d be out there playing and winning while my wife was doing the physical labor of expanding our family.

The child isn't the reason you're 40. The child isn't the reason you've been injured for the greater part of a year. You're not winning . . . in large part because you're 40 and you're just not more powerful than everybody else anymore. The child has nothing to do with that.

 

[The Big Ragu]

She was dominant for so long. Just beat the hell out of women's tennis. I don't think she turned randomly surly and dour (words someone else sed). When she was beating the hell out of her opponents, you rarely saw any of that. It was when she was being beaten that you saw it. And that wasn't often, obviously.

Several U.S. Open matches in particular. ... Someone mentioned the match in 2009 against Kim Clijsters when Serena threatened the linesperson. Clijsters was beating Serena and Serena was frustrated. There was the 2011 final against Sam Stosur, when Serena had a meltdown. Stosur was handling her incredibly easily. And then of couse, the Osaka final in 2018. Osaka was beating Serena using Serena's own game against her!

It's OK to be honest about Serena. She was a great champion. She dominated the sport more than anyone ever has. And that is what she should (and will) be remembered for.

But in a handful of instances where she wasn't able to win easily? She was a major sore loser. She would meltdown, turn herself into a victim (I am guessing she did this to psychologically avoid having to admit that someone was beating her relatively easily), and when she crossed a line she'd say anything to try to win sympathy for the victimization act, including the "sexism" she alleged in the Osaka final.

 

[Cosmo]

I'm the one who said surly and dour. When she was getting beaten she absolutely turned that way. I appreciate the hell out of her skill and her accomplishments, but when things didn't go her way, she was an outwardly pouty *****.

 

[dixiehack]

but when things didn't go her way, she was an outwardly pouty *****.

Same here, to be fair.

 

[outofplace]

Sounds downright . . . Trumpian.



The child isn't the reason you're 40. The child isn't the reason you've been injured for the greater part of a year. You're not winning . . . in large part because you're 40 and you're just not more powerful than everybody else anymore. The child has nothing to do with that.

I see you had no interest in reading what she wrote without putting it through a lens of judging her poorly.

I don't really have a strong opinion of her either way. She was an amazing athlete who transcended her sport, but of course, she's in decline. She was absolutely a poor loser, but the board racist ('yab) took his criticism of her a bit far. Bouncing back from pregnancy to be an elite athlete is certainly something that can be done, but it's not easy, especially as she gets older. What she wrote about that absolutely makes sense, especially if you go into it with an open mind rather than looking for reasons to criticize.

 

[outofplace]

She was dominant for so long. Just beat the hell out of women's tennis. I don't think she turned randomly surly and dour (words someone else sed). When she was beating the hell out of her opponents, you rarely saw any of that. It was when she was being beaten that you saw it. And that wasn't often, obviously.

Several U.S. Open matches in particular. ... Someone mentioned the match in 2009 against Kim Clijsters when Serena threatened the linesperson. Clijsters was beating Serena and Serena was frustrated. There was the 2011 final against Sam Stosur, when Serena had a meltdown. Stosur was handling her incredibly easily. And then of couse, the Osaka final in 2018. Osaka was beating Serena using Serena's own game against her!

It's OK to be honest about Serena. She was a great champion. She dominated the sport more than anyone ever has. And that is what she should (and will) be remembered for.

But in a handful of instances where she wasn't able to win easily? She was a major sore loser. She would meltdown, turn herself into a victim (I am guessing she did this to psychologically avoid having to admit that someone was beating her relatively easily), and when she crossed a line she'd say anything to try to win sympathy for the victimization act, including the "sexism" she alleged in the Osaka final.

This is all fair, but some of what is being written on this thread is unfair to her.