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Bob Cook said:
finishthehat said:
59-41 is a bigger Senate majority than W ever had, and he got things passed.

Dem politicians: Born to disappoint.

He also had Democrats voting for some of his stuff.

The Republicans have had a stated goal of NEVER voting for anything Obama puts forward, which is why it was so shocking at points when Olympia Snowe and Johnny Cao voted for it.

The Democrats had the same goal during the Bush years.

I don't know why anyone is shocked when a politician on either side breaks ranks and votes in a way that will benefit him/her over their party. Happens all the time. The difference here is that the Dems have a massive majority yet Reid can't get the job done because so many Dems know how unpopular King Barack's health bill is.
 
Armchair_QB said:
Bob Cook said:
finishthehat said:
59-41 is a bigger Senate majority than W ever had, and he got things passed.

Dem politicians: Born to disappoint.

He also had Democrats voting for some of his stuff.

The Republicans have had a stated goal of NEVER voting for anything Obama puts forward, which is why it was so shocking at points when Olympia Snowe and Johnny Cao voted for it.

The Democrats had the same goal during the Bush years.

I don't know why anyone is shocked when a politician on either side breaks ranks and votes in a way that will benefit him/her over their party. Happens all the time. The difference here is that the Dems have a massive majority yet Reid can't get the job done because so many Dems know how unpopular King Barack's health bill is.

Not from day one. I mean, it was bad, but not THIS bad.
 
Armchair_QB said:
The difference here is that the Dems have a massive majority yet Reid can't get the job done because so many Dems know how unpopular King Barack's health bill is.

?

What are you talking about? The Senate -- and Reid -- already passed its version of the health care bill. It was in all the papers.
 
Boom_70 said:
I'll be shocked if House just passes Senate version of bill. Just too many differences. Reconciled bill would require new Senate vote.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/pelosi-isnt-panicking-her-party-should-listen

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is having none of it: "Let's remove all doubt, we will have health care -- one way or another," she told reporters on Monday.
 
Armchair_QB said:
Bob Cook said:
finishthehat said:
59-41 is a bigger Senate majority than W ever had, and he got things passed.

Dem politicians: Born to disappoint.

He also had Democrats voting for some of his stuff.

The Republicans have had a stated goal of NEVER voting for anything Obama puts forward, which is why it was so shocking at points when Olympia Snowe and Johnny Cao voted for it.

The Democrats had the same goal during the Bush years.

I don't know why anyone is shocked when a politician on either side breaks ranks and votes in a way that will benefit him/her over their party. Happens all the time. The difference here is that the Dems have a massive majority yet Reid can't get the job done because so many Dems know how unpopular King Barack's health bill is.

The difference here is that some Dems actually were able to put aside political differences and vote for something they thought was in the best interest of the country.

The GNOP has no agenda besides obstructionism. That might fly in one special election where nobody but activists on both sides gets too involved. But this fall, it's going to take more than "Stop the MOOSLIM Socialist!" to win votes.

And come on, dude. The "King Barack" stuff is just stupid.
 
Ace said:
Hooray!! It's nice to see that scare tactics still work in 2010!!!

I think the scare tactics didn't work......Coakley tried and looks like she'll fail.
 
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fishhack2009 said:
Armchair_QB said:
Bob Cook said:
finishthehat said:
59-41 is a bigger Senate majority than W ever had, and he got things passed.

Dem politicians: Born to disappoint.

He also had Democrats voting for some of his stuff.

The Republicans have had a stated goal of NEVER voting for anything Obama puts forward, which is why it was so shocking at points when Olympia Snowe and Johnny Cao voted for it.

The Democrats had the same goal during the Bush years.

I don't know why anyone is shocked when a politician on either side breaks ranks and votes in a way that will benefit him/her over their party. Happens all the time. The difference here is that the Dems have a massive majority yet Reid can't get the job done because so many Dems know how unpopular King Barack's health bill is.

The difference here is that some Dems actually were able to put aside political differences and vote for something they thought was in the best interest of the country.

The GNOP has no agenda besides obstructionism. That might fly in one special election where nobody but activists on both sides gets too involved. But this fall, it's going to take more than "Stop the MOOSLIM Socialist!" to win votes.

And come on, dude. The "King Barack" stuff is just stupid.

The majority of Americans don't like this health care plan....so why push something through that most people don't want?
 
Ashy Larry said:
The majority of Americans don't like this health care plan....so why push something through that most people don't want?

So if the majority of people -- according to polls -- are against something, despite what the majority party and president are pushing, we should abandon it?

Hmmm. What a fascinating idea.
 
Cousin Oliver said:
Ashy Larry said:
The majority of Americans don't like this health care plan....so why push something through that most people don't want?

So if the majority of people -- according to polls -- are against something, despite what the majority party and president are pushing, we should abandon it?

Hmmm. What a fascinating idea.

Unintentional irony is often the best form.
 
Bob Cook said:
finishthehat said:
59-41 is a bigger Senate majority than W ever had, and he got things passed.

Dem politicians: Born to disappoint.

He also had Democrats voting for some of his stuff.

The Republicans have had a stated goal of NEVER voting for anything Obama puts forward, which is why it was so shocking at points when Olympia Snowe and Johnny Cao voted for it.

Cao represents an overwhelmingly Democratic (D+28 Partisan Voting Index rating) district in New Orleans, and was only elected because he was going against an incumbent who got caught with $90,000 in cash in his freezer ("Dollar Bill Jefferson"). If he has any hope of getting re-elected this year, he has to vote in favor of health care reform. And even on the first house vote, he didn't cast his vote until the Democrats already had the 218 votes needed and (presumably) he was released by the Republican leadership.

As for Snowe, she voted in favor of the stimulus, but only after it had been watered down considerably. And I think there was some specific appropriation for Maine in the bill.
 
Cousin Oliver said:
Ashy Larry said:
The majority of Americans don't like this health care plan....so why push something through that most people don't want?

So if the majority of people -- according to polls -- are against something, despite what the majority party and president are pushing, we should abandon it?

Hmmm. What a fascinating idea.

sure is. Sorry, I'm not a Republican....didn't think we should have went to Iraq. I actually look at each candidates record and vote accordingly, not because of a "D" or "R".

I will say, never in the history of the internet has someone chosen a more apt handle than you Cousin Oliver. You're annoying, childish and ruin everything you're in. Congrats.
 
Tarheel316 said:
Harry Reid is the weakest Senate Majority Leader in history.

Harry Reid, as far as I can tell, did his job. He got a bill passed in the Senate and according to the stories I read it was going to be improved in committee.

Not to be crass, but if somebody wants to make an argument that Ted Kennedy should have bowed out or retired years ago, or done a better job of preparing a successor, then I'm all ears.

It should never have come to this.
 
Cousin Oliver said:
It should never have come to this.

I'm amazed that no one sent up a flag until like a week ago that anything was amiss as far as holding this seat. I'd say the Democratic Party in Massachusetts has to take the blame for this one, if it goes down. And I'm not entirely sure it will, given that both campaigns' polling had it a dead heat. My fiance was making calls last night on Coakley's behalf and he said almost everyone he called said they planned to go out and vote for her and that they had received dozens of calls from various organizations on her behalf. Which tells me that there is a LOT of behind the scenes work going on.
 
Ashy Larry said:
Cousin Oliver said:
Ashy Larry said:
The majority of Americans don't like this health care plan....so why push something through that most people don't want?

So if the majority of people -- according to polls -- are against something, despite what the majority party and president are pushing, we should abandon it?

Hmmm. What a fascinating idea.

sure is. Sorry, I'm not a Republican....didn't think we should have went to Iraq. I actually look at each candidates record and vote accordingly, not because of a "D" or "R".

I will say, never in the history of the internet has someone chosen a more apt handle than you Cousin Oliver. You're annoying, childish and ruin everything you're in. Congrats.

That may have been a bit out-of-whack response to someone who asked a question you agree with.
 
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