Scott Brown Saves the Union

[fishhack2009]

Amen, Fudgie, amen. If 59 out of 100 isn't a majority, then that's what you call voodoo math.

Isn't it funny that the people who just four years ago were screaming that everything should have an up-and-down vote have once again fallen in love with the filibuster?

 

[Boom_70]

Before this gets locked for being a blatant political thread: How? Health care reform is not being voted on again; it's in conference. There's still enough of a majority that GOP policies will not get passed; the GOP could just effect occasional compromises.

Check your facts Dooley. The reconciled bill needs to be voted on before it is sent to President.

Won't happen now unless democrats decide to make end run and stage vote before Brown is seated.

 

[Brooklyn Bridge]

I didn't know that Mass was going to have a special election to fill Teddy's seat. I thought they were going to do that next November, but given the HCR and other stuff in Congress, I can understand why they are doing this now.
I find the Brown story interesting, not as much about who he is and what he's for, but for how Martha Coakley can be that gaffe-prone and think that this was going to be a walk in the park.
Call me crazy, but if there is anything that Teddy's constituents hate and that's being taken for granted and being frozen out, which is what Coakley is in trouble for.

If she wins, she's one lucky and fortunate person.

being close (distance wise) to the situation,I would say the Coakley has run one of the worst campaigns in modern history. WHat candidate takes 3 months off and then comes back two weeks to go with attack ads..

Brown was seen at the Garden, in Southie, meeting and greeting the middle class. Ted Kennedy worked the crowd even though he knew he would win. In politics you have to ask people for their vote. Coakley never did that.

The democratic machine already in place may save her ass, but she does not deserve it.

 

[Ace]

I didn't know that Mass was going to have a special election to fill Teddy's seat. I thought they were going to do that next November, but given the HCR and other stuff in Congress, I can understand why they are doing this now.
I find the Brown story interesting, not as much about who he is and what he's for, but for how Martha Coakley can be that gaffe-prone and think that this was going to be a walk in the park.
Call me crazy, but if there is anything that Teddy's constituents hate and that's being taken for granted and being frozen out, which is what Coakley is in trouble for.

If she wins, she's one lucky and fortunate person.

being close (distance wise) to the situation,I would say the Coakley has run one of the worst campaigns in modern history. WHat candidate takes 3 months off and then comes back two weeks to go with attack ads..

Brown was seen at the Garden, in Southie, meeting and greeting the middle class. Ted Kennedy worked the crowd even though he knew he would win. In politics you have to ask people for their vote. Coakley never did that.

The democratic machine already in place may save her ass, but she does not deserve it.

I agree with this. You've got to work hard to blow Teddy's seat.

 

[Boom_70]

Brown was outside Fenway Park shaking hands before the Bruins game. Coakely did not want to be out in the cold.

 

[D-3 Fan]

Suburbia, great points. I had the same line of thinking you have about the current state of things right now.

The Dems infighting over how to stay on the same page over HCR, the GOP on the verge of a civil war between the moderates and the Bible belt wing, will make this must-see viewing thru this year.

 

[fishhack2009]

Before this gets locked for being a blatant political thread: How? Health care reform is not being voted on again; it's in conference. There's still enough of a majority that GOP policies will not get passed; the GOP could just effect occasional compromises.

Check your facts Dooley. The reconciled bill needs to be voted on before it is sent to President.

Won't happen now unless democrats decide to make end run and stage vote before Brown is seated.

Nice try, Boom. But since the Senate has already voted on it, the House could just pass the Senate bill and be done with it.

A Brown win could actually work out to be a positive in the end. It would certainly give the voters a taste of what the other teabagger candidates will do if they win.

 

[Fudgie the Whale]

Before this gets locked for being a blatant political thread: How? Health care reform is not being voted on again; it's in conference. There's still enough of a majority that GOP policies will not get passed; the GOP could just effect occasional compromises.

Check your facts Dooley. The reconciled bill needs to be voted on before it is sent to President.

Like fishy said,

The House only needs to vote on the Senate bill which has already passed, and then the diffrences are ironed out through reconciliation. No re-vote needed.

It'll **** a lot of people off, but who cares?

I though the best part of health care reform would be the whining cries of Republicans when it passed 60-40.

But now, the best part will be when it passes and Republicans wet their pants by crying "It's not fair."

I can't wait.

 

[Fudgie the Whale]

Amen, Fudgie, amen. If 59 out of 100 isn't a majority, then that's what you call voodoo math.

Isn't it funny that the people who just four years ago were screaming that everything should have an up-and-down vote have once again fallen in love with the filibuster?

THIS WEEK:

Senator Judd Gregg, Republican of New Hampshire, said that if Brown were elected, rushing a bill through or using reconciliation to pass it "would be Chicago politics at its worst.’’

"You’re talking about basically an approach that says we’re going to do whatever we want, and because we’ve got power, independent of what people think or say or how they may vote,’’ he said in a telephone interview last night.


UNDER BUSH:

"The point, of course, is this: If you have 51 votes for your position, you win," Gregg told his Senate colleagues on the floor.

He added, "Reconciliation is a rule of the Senate (that) has been used before for purposes exactly like this on numerous occasions... Is there something wrong with majority rules? I don't think so."

 

[Oggiedoggie]

Joe Kennedy still has a chance.

All those Tea Party folks are supposed to like libertarians.

 

[suburbia]

Before this gets locked for being a blatant political thread: How? Health care reform is not being voted on again; it's in conference. There's still enough of a majority that GOP policies will not get passed; the GOP could just effect occasional compromises.

Check your facts Dooley. The reconciled bill needs to be voted on before it is sent to President.

Like fishy said,

The House only needs to vote on the Senate bill which has already passed, and then the diffrences are ironed out through reconciliation. No re-vote needed.

It'll **** a lot of people off, but who cares?

I though the best part of health care reform would be the whining cries of Republicans when it passed 60-40.

But now, the best part will be when it passes and Republicans wet their pants by crying "It's not fair."

I can't wait.

Harry Reid will need to have the balls to actually pull the trigger on reconciliation. And if Coakley loses tonight, I'm not even sure they can get 50 Democrats plus VP Joe Biden to stay together. If a Democrat with the party establishment's backing can lose in Massachusetts, it could cause even some normally loyal Democrats to get cold feet.

 

[fishhack2009]

Amen, Fudgie, amen. If 59 out of 100 isn't a majority, then that's what you call voodoo math.

Isn't it funny that the people who just four years ago were screaming that everything should have an up-and-down vote have once again fallen in love with the filibuster?

THIS WEEK:

Senator Judd Gregg, Republican of New Hampshire, said that if Brown were elected, rushing a bill through or using reconciliation to pass it "would be Chicago politics at its worst.’’

"You’re talking about basically an approach that says we’re going to do whatever we want, and because we’ve got power, independent of what people think or say or how they may vote,’’ he said in a telephone interview last night.


UNDER BUSH:

"The point, of course, is this: If you have 51 votes for your position, you win," Gregg told his Senate colleagues on the floor.

He added, "Reconciliation is a rule of the Senate (that) has been used before for purposes exactly like this on numerous occasions... Is there something wrong with majority rules? I don't think so."

That's hilarious. All of a sudden the same tactics that were okay when they ran the show are "Chicago Politics."

 

[Ben_Hecht]

I GUARANTEE Brown wins.

If he doesn't, I won't post for two weeks.

Funniest thing I saw all day was the Fox News boys purposely suppressing their
Cheshire grins, while pretending it's still wide-open . . . anything to avoid
discouraging any potential GOP voters.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Before this gets locked for being a blatant political thread: How? Health care reform is not being voted on again; it's in conference. There's still enough of a majority that GOP policies will not get passed; the GOP could just effect occasional compromises.

Check your facts Dooley. The reconciled bill needs to be voted on before it is sent to President.

Like fishy said,

The House only needs to vote on the Senate bill which has already passed, and then the diffrences are ironed out through reconciliation. No re-vote needed.

It'll **** a lot of people off, but who cares?

I though the best part of health care reform would be the whining cries of Republicans when it passed 60-40.

But now, the best part will be when it passes and Republicans wet their pants by crying "It's not fair."

I can't wait.

Harry Reid will need to have the balls to actually pull the trigger on reconciliation. And if Coakley loses tonight, I'm not even sure they can get 50 Democrats plus VP Joe Biden to stay together. If a Democrat with the party establishment's backing can lose in Massachusetts, it could cause even some normally loyal Democrats to get cold feet.

There is much truth to what you say.

 

[Cousin Oliver]

I have faith that my friends at ACORN will push Coakley over the line -- if you know what I mean.

 

[fishhack2009]

Before this gets locked for being a blatant political thread: How? Health care reform is not being voted on again; it's in conference. There's still enough of a majority that GOP policies will not get passed; the GOP could just effect occasional compromises.

Check your facts Dooley. The reconciled bill needs to be voted on before it is sent to President.

Like fishy said,

The House only needs to vote on the Senate bill which has already passed, and then the diffrences are ironed out through reconciliation. No re-vote needed.

It'll **** a lot of people off, but who cares?

I though the best part of health care reform would be the whining cries of Republicans when it passed 60-40.

But now, the best part will be when it passes and Republicans wet their pants by crying "It's not fair."

I can't wait.

Harry Reid will need to have the balls to actually pull the trigger on reconciliation. And if Coakley loses tonight, I'm not even sure they can get 50 Democrats plus VP Joe Biden to stay together. If a Democrat with the party establishment's backing can lose in Massachusetts, it could cause even some normally loyal Democrats to get cold feet.

After the way Harry Reid kissed Joe Lieberman's ass after 2008, I think it's safe to say Harry Reid has no balls.

Reid is a major disappointment. The Dems need someone who's not afraid to kick the other side in the nuts from time to time.

 

[Bob Cook]

Before this gets locked for being a blatant political thread: How? Health care reform is not being voted on again; it's in conference. There's still enough of a majority that GOP policies will not get passed; the GOP could just effect occasional compromises.

Check your facts Dooley. The reconciled bill needs to be voted on before it is sent to President.

Like fishy said,

The House only needs to vote on the Senate bill which has already passed, and then the diffrences are ironed out through reconciliation. No re-vote needed.

It'll **** a lot of people off, but who cares?

I though the best part of health care reform would be the whining cries of Republicans when it passed 60-40.

But now, the best part will be when it passes and Republicans wet their pants by crying "It's not fair."

I can't wait.

Harry Reid will need to have the balls to actually pull the trigger on reconciliation. And if Coakley loses tonight, I'm not even sure they can get 50 Democrats plus VP Joe Biden to stay together. If a Democrat with the party establishment's backing can lose in Massachusetts, it could cause even some normally loyal Democrats to get cold feet.

I'm not sure the problem is Democrats or Republicans than it is a lot of people scared ****less because they have no job and no prospect for one in an economy that is changing rapidly, and I don't mean just the overall up or down trends. If Republicans are already celebrating Brown like it means a return to power, then they've already, dangerously, forgotten about that New York House race where the teabagger lost to the Democrat in a Republican district. Things are just too volatile to say things will go one way or the other.

However, there are so many politicians who blew sure leads by being arrogant and tone-deaf that you would think Coakley and the Democratic party might have learned those lessons. I remember going back to my hometown of Indianapolis the last mayoral elections, when incumbent Democrat Bart Peterson got the idea he would win in a walk because he was running against some no-name ex-Marine who the establishment Republican party didn't even support (this is pre-teabag. The issue was him being a no-name.) Yet wherever I drove, there were angry signs up -- something like "We've Had Enough! Vote Ballard." Peterson was running as a major property-tax reassessment saw a lot of people's taxes triple, or more, at the same time he was instituting a county income tax. By the time Peterson saw the pocketbook rebellion coming, it was too late.

On the other hand, let's not forget the lesson of electing a charismatic unknown out of spite. You know the people of Springfield learned their lesson from the debacle that was Homer Simpson as garbage commissioner.

 

[finishthehat]

59-41 is a bigger Senate majority than W ever had, and he got things passed.

Dem politicians: Born to disappoint.

 

[Boom_70]

I'll be shocked if House just passes Senate version of bill. Just too many differences. Reconciled bill would require new Senate vote.

 

[Bob Cook]

59-41 is a bigger Senate majority than W ever had, and he got things passed.

Dem politicians: Born to disappoint.

He also had Democrats voting for some of his stuff.

The Republicans have had a stated goal of NEVER voting for anything Obama puts forward, which is why it was so shocking at points when Olympia Snowe and Johnny Cao voted for it.