Running comic books thread

[Riddick]

I'm loving this thread. Piotr, I'm glad Seige Perilous was before my time on the books, but I missed a lot of great stuff before that. Got to love trade paperbacks.

All the events didn't suck. I liked Age of Apocolypse (though the sequel was horrid). Onslaught had its moments, though overall it wasn't great. There was one tie-in where the Hulk is part of a group of heroes attacking Onslaught. He shows that he doesn't care how many of his comrades fall as long as he wins and seems to beat Onslaught, only to find out it was the bad guy messing with their heads.

The way the other heroes looked at the Hulk with a new understanding of how ruthless he can be was priceless.

Mutant Massacre was excellent. Actual long-term effects, as both the X-Men and X-Factor were decimated.

Fall of the Mutants wasn't a crossover, and no one really fell except Cypher, the new mutant whose talent was to understand languages. Inferno was conceived by Claremont as the crossover to end all mutant crossovers, because he hated the marketing people pushing them. It was very good, tied up a lot of loose ends, and was notable in that it didn't just exist to sell comics by slapping an event name on there, then returning everything to normal with the exception of a new character or two afterward.

X-Tinction Agenda was very good as well, tied up a lot of the Genosha stuff that had been brewing. I think it stands up well, other than the horrendous art in X-Factor. I'm not an artist wonk, I'm a story fan. But Jim Lee's stuff on X-Men was amazing.

X-Cutioner's song . . . I just couldn't get interested, though I bought the whole thing thinking I might read it some day.

Only saw parts of Age of Apocalypse, but I think it's an inspired idea. Onslaught . . . . Horrible. I remember the oartwhen it was recalled that Xavier loved Jean Grey, and that was part of why Onslaught is evil. Well . . that was a throwaway line from an early one, No. 4 I believe, where Jean says not to worry, and Xavier thinks something like "AS if I could help worrying abouit the one I love!" Stanley, in his notes for the front of the Marvel Masterworks reprint, expresses how he was just throwing stuff at the wall at that point.

Fatal Attractions wuld have been fine, but as far as this fan is concerned, Magneto died in X-Men No. 3, Claremont's last issue.

Yes, I think Claremont is great. You grow up reading someone's stuff . . . . . but I hear he sucks now. Oh well. He really ruled those books with an iron hand in their heyday, story-wise.

I don't think X-Men has topped Dark Phoenix. I don't think anyone has. I love the legend that Claremont and Byrne were gonna let her live before Jim Shooter (marvel EIC) stepped in and said, no, she has to be punished for her crimes. The brilliant way they resurrected her five years later just adds to the legend. The only comic book death that had a plausible explanation for why it didn't stick. (The Aunt May crap is a joke. The woman is dead).

Can't wait to see what BS they pull for Captain America. Kind of stupid to have a seminal character like that, then off him in that way.

A sniper. Gimme a freaking break. But at lest they didn't pull a DC and just create a new character for the sole purpose of killing/injuring the seminal hero with the suffix -man in his name, only to retcon the whole thing after the series was done and readers had been bulked into buying the whole thing, including crossovers.

damn! And I thought I was a comic book junkie. Haven't bought anything new in a while, but what's up with this Onslaught Reborn crap? Worth picking up?

 

[outofplace]

I'm loving this thread. Piotr, I'm glad Seige Perilous was before my time on the books, but I missed a lot of great stuff before that. Got to love trade paperbacks.

All the events didn't suck. I liked Age of Apocolypse (though the sequel was horrid). Onslaught had its moments, though overall it wasn't great. There was one tie-in where the Hulk is part of a group of heroes attacking Onslaught. He shows that he doesn't care how many of his comrades fall as long as he wins and seems to beat Onslaught, only to find out it was the bad guy messing with their heads.

The way the other heroes looked at the Hulk with a new understanding of how ruthless he can be was priceless.

Mutant Massacre was excellent. Actual long-term effects, as both the X-Men and X-Factor were decimated.

Fall of the Mutants wasn't a crossover, and no one really fell except Cypher, the new mutant whose talent was to understand languages. Inferno was conceived by Claremont as the crossover to end all mutant crossovers, because he hated the marketing people pushing them. It was very good, tied up a lot of loose ends, and was notable in that it didn't just exist to sell comics by slapping an event name on there, then returning everything to normal with the exception of a new character or two afterward.

X-Tinction Agenda was very good as well, tied up a lot of the Genosha stuff that had been brewing. I think it stands up well, other than the horrendous art in X-Factor. I'm not an artist wonk, I'm a story fan. But Jim Lee's stuff on X-Men was amazing.

X-Cutioner's song . . . I just couldn't get interested, though I bought the whole thing thinking I might read it some day.

Only saw parts of Age of Apocalypse, but I think it's an inspired idea. Onslaught . . . . Horrible. I remember the oartwhen it was recalled that Xavier loved Jean Grey, and that was part of why Onslaught is evil. Well . . that was a throwaway line from an early one, No. 4 I believe, where Jean says not to worry, and Xavier thinks something like "AS if I could help worrying abouit the one I love!" Stanley, in his notes for the front of the Marvel Masterworks reprint, expresses how he was just throwing stuff at the wall at that point.

Fatal Attractions wuld have been fine, but as far as this fan is concerned, Magneto died in X-Men No. 3, Claremont's last issue.

Yes, I think Claremont is great. You grow up reading someone's stuff . . . . . but I hear he sucks now. Oh well. He really ruled those books with an iron hand in their heyday, story-wise.

I don't think X-Men has topped Dark Phoenix. I don't think anyone has. I love the legend that Claremont and Byrne were gonna let her live before Jim Shooter (marvel EIC) stepped in and said, no, she has to be punished for her crimes. The brilliant way they resurrected her five years later just adds to the legend. The only comic book death that had a plausible explanation for why it didn't stick. (The Aunt May crap is a joke. The woman is dead).

Can't wait to see what BS they pull for Captain America. Kind of stupid to have a seminal character like that, then off him in that way.

A sniper. Gimme a freaking break. But at lest they didn't pull a DC and just create a new character for the sole purpose of killing/injuring the seminal hero with the suffix -man in his name, only to retcon the whole thing after the series was done and readers had been bulked into buying the whole thing, including crossovers.

damn! And I thought I was a comic book junkie. Haven't bought anything new in a while, but what's up with this Onslaught Reborn crap? Worth picking up?

I don't think so. Issue 3 was on the stands today and I left it there.

I agree on Cap, though I don't regularly read it. I do like that they killed him in his own book, not in the crossover event, where the true fans will see it.

A buddy of mine manages a comic shop. He was PISSED. They didn't let anybody know this was coming, so the shops didn't buy enough issues. Another local store (as in not where my buddy works) was selling them for $20 apiece today. Sickening abuse of the situation.

I've read most of those stories in trade and they all kick the crap out of Onslaught. Though I still like the idea of Xavier paying for what he did to Magneto. Xavier can pretty much end any battle in a heartbeat, but he chooses restraint. The one time he didn't, he and the X-Men paid big-time.

Oh yeah...and bring back Jean, dammit. The way they killed her off sucked. (Screw you, Morrison).

 

[outofplace]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/771/771046p1.html

For those who grew up on G.I. Joe comics, which happened to be the first series I collected regularly. This is going to suck SOOOOOO bad.

 

[SoSueMe]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/771/771046p1.html

For those who grew up on G.I. Joe comics, which happened to be the first series I collected regularly. This is going to suck SOOOOOO bad.

Whoa. Not cool - AT ALL.

But, now I know enough to NOT SEE THIS. And knowing is half the battle.

 

[Piotr Rasputin]

I loved GI Joe comics. I hated the cartoon., other than the theme song. They say the old comic, written by future wolverine writer Larry Hama, "was doing ninjas before ninjas were cool."

I'm proud to say that, including reprints, I have Nos. 1-72 of the old comic. Not counting reprints, I have No. 9-20 and 22-72. I loved the damn comic, I had the toys as a kid, I was all abouit GI Joe. The fleshing out oif Snake Eyes' back story last year in the new comic was enjoyable.

And I'm not surprised they're completely ruining what Marvel had already taken several liberties with, the GI Joe mythos.

Bastards. Don't insult us. Have the integrity to call it something else, like you should have done with the abomination that was Highlander 2.

 

[Batman]

I'm a G.I. Joe geek, too. First comics I ever owned were a three-pack from Toys R Us with Nos. 51, 53 and 55 of the Marvel series. Eventually, I had a complete run from about No. 35 to 135, and then all but the first couple issues of the new series.
But this...this is an abomination before God.
When will people accept that G.I. Joe isn't all about the **** that came in the 1960s? Yes, it was the original. No, it wasn't the best. There's an entire generation that'll be cursing this ****head's name by the time this abortion sees the light of day.
Let's see, a kickass story about a ruthless terrorist's rise to power from humble beginnings as a used-car salesman....yeah, that'll make people laugh. That's much more outrageous than the Action Man bull****. ****ing ****-gobbling asshole mother****ers.

 

[Tommy_Dreamer]

Anybody run down for me any significant deaths in the Civil War story?

 

[Piotr Rasputin]

Let's see, a kickass story about a ruthless terrorist's rise to power from humble beginnings as a used-car salesman....yeah, that'll make people laugh.

Exactly.

Done properly, with the elements Hama could never truly take all the way, this could have been a compelling movie. But just as Fantastic Four mutilated Doctor Doom's origin - one of the more interesting in all of comics - Cobra is seen as bumbling idiots, not terrorists.

 

[BRoth]

I've been eating up "The Walking Dead" by Robert Kirkman. I've always been a huge zombie fan, but those are great books (I only buy the trade copies that are made up of 6 issues).

other than that, I've read a couple issues of Y, which is great.

 

[outofplace]

Let's see, a kickass story about a ruthless terrorist's rise to power from humble beginnings as a used-car salesman....yeah, that'll make people laugh.

Exactly.

Done properly, with the elements Hama could never truly take all the way, this could have been a compelling movie. But just as Fantastic Four mutilated Doctor Doom's origin - one of the more interesting in all of comics - Cobra is seen as bumbling idiots, not terrorists.

In other words...the cartoon come to life.

When they play Cobra Commander as a ruthless badass, he's interesting. The bumbling coward is just annoying.

And I understand it might be difficult to translate a hero who is mute and wears a mask to the screen, but you find a way because it ain't G.I. Joe without Snake Eyes.

This will be be much worse than Fantastic Four, which I actually kind of enjoy as long as I ignore the difference between that Dr. Doom and the one in the comics.

 

[outofplace]

Anybody run down for me any significant deaths in the Civil War story?

None really in the series itself. Just a bunch of B-listers.

They saved the only death that really matters until Captain America #25.

 

[Riddick]

Let's see, a kickass story about a ruthless terrorist's rise to power from humble beginnings as a used-car salesman....yeah, that'll make people laugh.

Exactly.

Done properly, with the elements Hama could never truly take all the way, this could have been a compelling movie. But just as Fantastic Four mutilated Doctor Doom's origin - one of the more interesting in all of comics - Cobra is seen as bumbling idiots, not terrorists.

In other words...the cartoon come to life.

When they play Cobra Commander as a ruthless badass, he's interesting. The bumbling coward is just annoying.

And I understand it might be difficult to translate a hero who is mute and wears a mask to the screen, but you find a way because it ain't G.I. Joe without Snake Eyes.

This will be be much worse than Fantastic Four, which I actually kind of enjoy as long as I ignore the difference between that Dr. Doom and the one in the comics.

So, Marky Mark is supposed to be signed on for the new G.I. Joe movie.
Just makes me think that franchise peaked with the animated movie, which kicked ass.

 

[Buck]

RIP
Steve Rogers

 

[JayFarrar]

Anyone keeping up with the Justice series painted by Alex Ross?
I picked up No. 10 today. It finally hit my town, damn DC and their erratic production schedule.
But Ross is a genius. I'd buy the phone book if he did the art.

 

[Cadet]

Y: The Last Man just screams to be made into a movie (S)
I've been wondering about the cast: Lucy Liu, Jada Pinkett Smith, Anna Paquin and I don't know about the guy, I was thinking maybe the dude from Heroes, the one who plays Peter Petrelli (SP)

I loooooooove Y, but having moved to BFE with no comic book store within 150 miles has put a damper on keeping up with it. No spoilers, please, because I'm waiting until I can order all the trades at once.

I also worship the ground David Mack walks on.

 

[SoSueMe]

Captain Amercia is the force behind Stephen Colbert's "The Word" segment tonight.

Pretty good.

 

[Guerrillascribe]

One book I really got into was Next Wave by Warren Ellis, he of Transmetropolitan fame. The writing was crisp and the art was top notch. Have also dug X-Statix, too. I took a break from comics from around 1988 to earlier this year, but kept up on some titles, mainly via the graphic novel or hardback omnibus versions.

 

[EStreetJoe]

can any of the comic book geeks fans/readers recommend a good website to go to check on the value of comic books?

 

[scribbler357]

RIP
Steve Rogers

I think he'll be back. If it were this easy to kill him, the Red Skull -- who's been trying to do so since the 1940's -- would have done it long ago. Maybe after the Hulk kicks the crap out of all things Illuminati-related this summer, they'll bring him back.

 

[scribbler357]

RIP
Steve Rogers

I think he'll be back. If it were this easy to kill him, the Red Skull -- who's been trying to do so since the 1940's -- would have done it long ago. Maybe after the Hulk kicks the crap out of all things Illuminati-related this summer, they'll bring him back.

According to our friends at Wikipedia:

In Civil War: The Initiative, Ms. Marvel claims that Captain America is not dead but "...tucked away safe on the Raft... They're trying to save his life even as we speak."