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[derwood]

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If kids won't play for him why did he have success at Conn

Mostly because he recruited kids from PA who were rejected by Pitt and Penn State and used his Syracuse background to get some kids from NJ and downstate New York. Good enough for Big East but not ACC.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

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If kids won't play for him why did he have success at Conn

He made UCONN a mediocre school in a mediocre (and that may be generous) conference. Sometimes it just becomes apparent very fast that something isn't going to work. To me, and to many others, this is one of those instances. John Feinstein summed up the case against Edsall pretty well today, I thought. I'm personally at peace with the idea that it's not going to happen. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.

 

[ejhayes737]

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Anyone think that Mike Leach would do well at Arizona State? Wonder if enough time has passed since the shed incident.

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

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If kids won't play for him why did he have success at Conn

Because the Big East is a **** can, and it's proven every time one of its "name" coaches leave and go to a better league. Ever since the first ACC raid, This league makes average coaches look better than they really are.

Since 2004:

Walt Harris - Credited with "bringing Pitt back from the dead." Left for Stanford and fired after 5-6 and 1-11 seasons that included losses to powerhouse UC-Davis and San Jose State.

Rich Rodriguez - Credited for WVU's best five year stretch in school history. Went to Michigan and tanked out in three seasons.

Brian Kelly - Two conference titles in three seasons at Cincinnati. Unbridled mediocrity in two seasons at Notre Dame.

Edsall - Already documented on this thread.

the only coaches to leave the Big East in the past 10 years and overachieve has been Mark Dantonio and Petrino, but even Petrino had the ***** up in the NFL.

 

[rmanfredi]

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Anyone think that Mike Leach would do well at Arizona State? Wonder if enough time has passed since the shed incident.

Oregon's offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich was an ASU assistant (he was the QB coach under Koetter). I would suspect he would get some attention. I'm not sure what Kevin Sumlin's contract situation is, but I would expect that he would be a candidate if he's interested.

This job would make as much sense as the dozen other jobs that "make sense" for Leach that he doesn't wind up being a candidate for.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

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Anyone think that Mike Leach would do well at Arizona State? Wonder if enough time has passed since the shed incident.

Oregon's offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich was an ASU assistant (he was the QB coach under Koetter). I would suspect he would get some attention. I'm not sure what Kevin Sumlin's contract situation is, but I would expect that he would be a candidate if he's interested.

This job would make as much sense as the dozen other jobs that "make sense" for Leach that he doesn't wind up being a candidate for.

What's funny is the beat writers for almost any school that has an opening all seem intent on listing Leach as a candidate.

Curious to see who is likely to replace Slick Rick at UCLA. How hilarious would it be if they beat Oregon and a 7-6 team got to play in the Rose Bowl? I know it's not going to happen, but just another reason why the current system is just a joke.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

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The made for tv conference championship games are just as much of a joke.

 

[Sam Mills 51]

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Anyone think that Mike Leach would do well at Arizona State? Wonder if enough time has passed since the shed incident.

Oregon's offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich was an ASU assistant (he was the QB coach under Koetter). I would suspect he would get some attention. I'm not sure what Kevin Sumlin's contract situation is, but I would expect that he would be a candidate if he's interested.

This job would make as much sense as the dozen other jobs that "make sense" for Leach that he doesn't wind up being a candidate for.

What's funny is the beat writers for almost any school that has an opening all seem intent on listing Leach as a candidate.

Curious to see who is likely to replace Slick Rick at UCLA. How hilarious would it be if they beat Oregon and a 7-6 team got to play in the Rose Bowl? I know it's not going to happen, but just another reason why the current system is just a joke.

Want to bet on Neuheisel's replacement?

 

[ejhayes737]

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Anyone think that Mike Leach would do well at Arizona State? Wonder if enough time has passed since the shed incident.

Oregon's offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich was an ASU assistant (he was the QB coach under Koetter). I would suspect he would get some attention. I'm not sure what Kevin Sumlin's contract situation is, but I would expect that he would be a candidate if he's interested.

This job would make as much sense as the dozen other jobs that "make sense" for Leach that he doesn't wind up being a candidate for.

What's funny is the beat writers for almost any school that has an opening all seem intent on listing Leach as a candidate.

Curious to see who is likely to replace Slick Rick at UCLA. How hilarious would it be if they beat Oregon and a 7-6 team got to play in the Rose Bowl? I know it's not going to happen, but just another reason why the current system is just a joke.

Boise's Chris Petersen will likely get a call from UCLA.

 

[derwood]

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Anyone think that Mike Leach would do well at Arizona State? Wonder if enough time has passed since the shed incident.

Oregon's offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich was an ASU assistant (he was the QB coach under Koetter). I would suspect he would get some attention. I'm not sure what Kevin Sumlin's contract situation is, but I would expect that he would be a candidate if he's interested.

This job would make as much sense as the dozen other jobs that "make sense" for Leach that he doesn't wind up being a candidate for.

What's funny is the beat writers for almost any school that has an opening all seem intent on listing Leach as a candidate.

Curious to see who is likely to replace Slick Rick at UCLA. How hilarious would it be if they beat Oregon and a 7-6 team got to play in the Rose Bowl? I know it's not going to happen, but just another reason why the current system is just a joke.

Boise's Chris Petersen will likely get a call from UCLA.

Replacing three gallon sleaze bucket with two gallon sleaze bucket is not much of improvement.

 

[rmanfredi]

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The made for tv conference championship games are just as much of a joke.

Especially when you consider how unbalanced conference schedules can become. If Utah would have beaten Colorado, they would have qualified for the championship game with their slate of PAC-12 North games being Washington, Washington State, Cal and Oregon State - no Oregon or Stanford (UCLA and Arizona State each played one of those two, while USC played both).

FYI - can someone tell me if USC is the PAC-12 South champion or not? Because I keep seeing media references to UCLA being the division champion, but it seems to me that USC is technically the champion, but "unable to play in the PAC-12 title game because of post-season sanctions." That shouldn't preclude them from winning a regular season title, right?

 

[TigerVols]

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Any chance Phat Phil pulls an Uncle Bill Snyder, and returns back to Rocky Top?

I would doubt it. Even though Fulmer won a title at UT, I think it's safe to say people there were ready for him to go. Tennessee, unlike K-state, also can afford to bring in a big-name coach if it so desires. The Vols have been down for a few years, but its still a destination job if they bring in the right person.

The $5 million chump change buyout to Dooley is on top of the $175K A MONTH UT is still paying Fulmer.

And, no, there's no chance Fulmer returns. There's an entire new UT administration and athletic department since he was there.

 

[rmanfredi]

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Anyone think that Mike Leach would do well at Arizona State? Wonder if enough time has passed since the shed incident.

Oregon's offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich was an ASU assistant (he was the QB coach under Koetter). I would suspect he would get some attention. I'm not sure what Kevin Sumlin's contract situation is, but I would expect that he would be a candidate if he's interested.

This job would make as much sense as the dozen other jobs that "make sense" for Leach that he doesn't wind up being a candidate for.

What's funny is the beat writers for almost any school that has an opening all seem intent on listing Leach as a candidate.

Curious to see who is likely to replace Slick Rick at UCLA. How hilarious would it be if they beat Oregon and a 7-6 team got to play in the Rose Bowl? I know it's not going to happen, but just another reason why the current system is just a joke.

Boise's Chris Petersen will likely get a call from UCLA.

Said call will likely lead to another nice salary bump after he decides to stay at Boise State after careful consideration.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

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If Petersen was ever going to leave, I could see him going to UCLA.

I could also see him failing big time Dan Hawkins style.

 

[murphyc]

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Slick Rick is done. Will coach championship game.

The wire story:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-ucla-neuheiselfired

Barbara Hedges is laughing uncontrollably and she doesn't know why.

 

[derwood]

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If Petersen was ever going to leave, I could see him going to UCLA.

I could also see him failing big time Dan Hawkins style.

Hawkins got better recruits at Boise than Colorado. Makes sense.

 

[Versatile]

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Any chance Phat Phil pulls an Uncle Bill Snyder, and returns back to Rocky Top?

I would doubt it. Even though Fulmer won a title at UT, I think it's safe to say people there were ready for him to go. Tennessee, unlike K-state, also can afford to bring in a big-name coach if it so desires. The Vols have been down for a few years, but its still a destination job if they bring in the right person.

The $5 million chump change buyout to Dooley is on top of the $175K A MONTH UT is still paying Fulmer.

And, no, there's no chance Fulmer returns. There's an entire new UT administration and athletic department since he was there.

And he didn't leave on his own terms, though he wasn't exactly fired.

Bill Snyder walked off the field the first time as the most popular man in Manhattan, Kan., and he'll do so again the next time. They renamed the stadium after him the day he retired.

 

[rmanfredi]

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Also, keep in mind that UCLA has to work with some pretty significant financial restraints when hiring a coach. Neuheisel was making a base salary of $1.25 million this season, which is actually less than Petersen is making at Boise State ($1.5 million plus incentives). He'd be - at best - making a lateral move financially to go to UCLA (not counting the much higher cost of living) and try to win in a competitive conference where he will be second-best in his own town.

Money has been a major factor in why UCLA hasn't been able to attract big-name coaches in the past. With them investing serious money in renovating the Rose Bowl and Pauley Pavilion, I don't know if they are going to be more willing (or able) to open their checkbooks this time around.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

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Also, keep in mind that UCLA has to work with some pretty significant financial restraints when hiring a coach. Neuheisel was making a base salary of $1.25 million this season, which is actually less than Petersen is making at Boise State ($1.5 million plus incentives). He'd be - at best - making a lateral move financially to go to UCLA (not counting the much higher cost of living) and try to win in a competitive conference where he will be second-best in his own town.

Money has been a major factor in why UCLA hasn't been able to attract big-name coaches in the past. With them investing serious money in renovating the Rose Bowl and Pauley Pavilion, I don't know if they are going to be more willing (or able) to open their checkbooks this time around.

I had forgotten about that. That's probably a big reason why they haven't had a decent coach there in a long time...

With that in mind, maybe they'll ask Norm Chow to hang around.

 

[Birdscribe]

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Also, keep in mind that UCLA has to work with some pretty significant financial restraints when hiring a coach. Neuheisel was making a base salary of $1.25 million this season, which is actually less than Petersen is making at Boise State ($1.5 million plus incentives). He'd be - at best - making a lateral move financially to go to UCLA (not counting the much higher cost of living) and try to win in a competitive conference where he will be second-best in his own town.

Money has been a major factor in why UCLA hasn't been able to attract big-name coaches in the past. With them investing serious money in renovating the Rose Bowl and Pauley Pavilion, I don't know if they are going to be more willing (or able) to open their checkbooks this time around.

I had forgotten about that. That's probably a big reason why they haven't had a decent coach there in a long time...

With that in mind, maybe they'll ask Norm Chow to hang around.

Actually, UCLA isn't spending any money on the Rose Bowl renovation. That's the City of Pasadena (through bonds) and a private non-profit group.

As for Norm Chow, they'd have to lure him back from Utah, where he landed after Neuheisel waxed him.

And as a longtime UCLA fan, I'm tired of hearing how they'd be second-best in their own town. There's no reason why that has to be the case; in fact, it's what doomed Karl Durrell and helped scuttle Neuheisel (among other things).

UCLA is an academically prestigious university (which is part of the problem, admittedly -- especially when comparing itself to USC), located in one of the most desirable areas in one of the most cosmopolitan and exciting cities in the country. It plays in one of the iconic facilities in all of sports and yes, does have a football history that isn't anything to sneeze at.

There is no reason outside of the academic issue that UCLA has to cede anything to USC, especially recruiting in the fertile Southern California area. None. The fact it has since Bob Toledo was fired in 2002 speaks volumes as to why the program is in the manic-depressive state it's in.

Trivia time: Name the winningest coach in Pac-8/10/12 history. Hint: he never coached a day at USC or Washington. Answer below.

Mark Whicker penned an outstanding column illustrating this very fact, sentiments I've been saying for years.

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/bruins-328872-football-play.html

A: Terry Donahue, who won 98 Pac-10 games AND owned a winning record against USC.