RIP Ted Kennedy

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Here is a little perspective on the Kennedy dynasty: Today (Wednesday) will be the first day that a Kennedy brother (John, Bobby, Ted) did not hold an elected position in the federal government since 1946 when JFK won his seat in the House.

For nearly 63 years, a son of Joe and Rose Kennedy was either a U.S. Rep, a U.S. Senator or the President. That, my friends, is one heck of a dynasty.
 
Cal Thomas, about as conservative and fastidious a columnist as you'll find, stated once that Kennedy's sense of purpose and service of his beliefs was admirable, saying roughly, "You knew where he stood 10 years ago, you know where he stands now, you know where he'll stand 10 years from now."

Orrin Hatch, about as conservative and fastidious a senator as you'll find, worked with Kennedy to get a lot of the people's business done.

I think those facts say a lot right there. For whatever his failings were, and yes, for most of his life he was a boozehound and skirt chaser, he did a helluva lot more to make lives better than millions upon millions of supposedly pure folk. It's too bad he won't live to see universal health care, but then, he probably wishes he would have died before seeing a president of the United States called a Nazi for challenging Big Insurance.

I've always considered myself a Ted Kennedy liberal, believing that government rightly has a role in checking free enterprise when it's dysfunctional, and rightly has a role in trying to leave fewer folks in the backwash of our rich society. He did live long enough to help assure minorities the vote, children half a chance at life, and parents a chance to bond with their children in the key early weeks of life.

He was one of a kind. I'm proud of my label. RIP.
 
Just watched the DNC video on Kennedy from Denver last year - a good summary of his life, his passions, his service.... he got **** done no matter who was President, whether he was in the majority or in the minority.

 
YGBFKM said:
You kill a person and never have to take responsibility for it, that kind of thing tends to linger.

I have a question: Should his involvement in Mary Jo Kopechne's death be ignored in the obits/profiles that are going to be written in the coming days and weeks? You can ceratinly write a lengthy one without it, but I really am curious if the journalists on this board think it should be left out.


Given that it affected the course of his life, in multiple ways . . .
 
DanOregon said:
Just watched the DNC video on Kennedy from Denver last year - a good summary of his life, his passions, his service.... he got **** done no matter who was President, whether he was in the majority or in the minority.



Speech was one year to the day of his death.
 
Another classic from the Senate. If TV was just showing stuff like this all day instead of having people call in and share their memories I might actually watch it. S-Chip, Minimum Wage...






Love this one on the Iraq War - part kindly Grandpa, part Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman, part Sam Kinison.


And if anyone wants to know why Kennedy never made it to the the White House check out this clip from the Roger Mudd interview that pretty much doomed him. It wasn't a gotcha, but I remember thinking "he doesn't know why he wants to be President?"
 
BYH said:
old_tony said:
I've disagreed with the man on nearly every issue. That said, I'm greatly saddened by this news. Because of the family he came from, he was an icon of America from the 1960s right to the end.

RIP, sir. You fought the good fight. We disagreed on just about everything, and your personal failings were pointed out on many occasions. But in passing you take with you a major part of US and World history during my lifetime.

Now there is how you manage to memoralize someone without ignoring the differences you had with his political affiliation and personal choices.

Would be nice if HH and Scribe, as well as the other fringers who will descend upon this thread in the morning, took a page from your book.

Would be nice if TK had not gotten away with vehicular manslaughter. He represented his constituents with passion, to be sure, but it seems unlikely he would have been able to had he been held accountable for Chappaquiddick.
 
YGBFKM said:
You kill a person and never have to take responsibility for it, that kind of thing tends to linger.

I have a question: Should his involvement in Mary Jo Kopechne's death be ignored in the obits/profiles that are going to be written in the coming days and weeks? You can ceratinly write a lengthy one without it, but I really am curious if the journalists on this board think it should be left out.
LOL.

Chappaquiddick will be in EVERY obit.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Really?
 
Double J said:
Why didn't he go for it in 1976? I guess he had a Senate re-election campaign that year, did he not? Was Chappaquiddick still too fresh in people's minds for him to have gone for it at that time?

As for 1980, my understanding is he ran a very poor campaign and deservedly got his ass handed to him.

Anyway, RIP.

Interesting to note that John Kerry, after 24 years, is finally his state's senior senator. Jay Rockefeller, who's been in the Senate the same amount of time, is still waiting for Robert Byrd to die.
Chappaquiddick sunk him in 1980, so of course it would have done so in 1976
 
I was 13 when JFK was assissinated and 19 when Bobby was murdered.

Even though I'm a Canadian, the family seems to have been part of my political landscape for almost fifty years .

RIP to a great man from a family only Shakespeare could have invented.
 
Kennedy got things done because people understood he was coming from a position of deeply held beliefs. Most politicians on both sides are willing to compromise too much because they don't believe enough in what they're doing, and when that is the case, nothing really gets accomplished.
 
To tell you how eerie this feels. I was catching up with what was going on here before heading to bed at 11:15 CDT. The story broke ten minutes later. I just learned about this 5 minutes ago after waking up and I'm stunned beyond belief.

Yes, we can't dismiss Chappaquiddick, the family tragedies, or his politics whether we disagreed with them or lauded them. But right now, this morning, the reaction of his death is the main story. His life and legacy will be discussed as the days progress.

Teddy was the U.S. Senate. The White House may have been his goal and his dreams, but the Senate is where he made the biggest impact. Moving major legislation, showing younger Senators how things are being done, who to go to for help, et cetera.

Ted Kennedy lived an extraordinary life, good and bad. Teddy lived the life that Joe Jr., Kathleen, Jack, and Bobby tragically never got to have and fulfill.
 
HejiraHenry said:
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Thank you... RIP Mary Jo...
 
Simon_Cowbell said:
YGBFKM said:
You kill a person and never have to take responsibility for it, that kind of thing tends to linger.

I have a question: Should his involvement in Mary Jo Kopechne's death be ignored in the obits/profiles that are going to be written in the coming days and weeks? You can ceratinly write a lengthy one without it, but I really am curious if the journalists on this board think it should be left out.
LOL.

Chappaquiddick will be in EVERY obit.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Really?

It's interesting... I watched the local news this morning and both ran roughly five-minute obit pieces on Teddy...

One mentioned Chappaquiddick and the scandal with his nephew. The other made no mention of it.

Neither of the channels was Fox. I just thought that was interesting. It's like running Nixon's obit without mentioning Watergate.

RIP Teddy...
 
FirstDownPirates said:
Kennedy got things done because people understood he was coming from a position of deeply held beliefs. Most politicians on both sides are willing to compromise too much because they don't believe enough in what they're doing, and when that is the case, nothing really gets accomplished.
That is true. Sometimes, however, you have to make some concessions, whether you like doing it or not. It's called finding a common ground. Teddy wasn't afraid to stick to his guns, and was able to relate and work with his opponents for what is right, and for the best interests of their constituents.
 
Disagreed with almost everything he said but Teddy was one of the great orators of our time. I think he would have been a great President. RIP
 
Mizzougrad96 said:
Simon_Cowbell said:
YGBFKM said:
You kill a person and never have to take responsibility for it, that kind of thing tends to linger.

I have a question: Should his involvement in Mary Jo Kopechne's death be ignored in the obits/profiles that are going to be written in the coming days and weeks? You can ceratinly write a lengthy one without it, but I really am curious if the journalists on this board think it should be left out.
LOL.

Chappaquiddick will be in EVERY obit.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Really?

It's interesting... I watched the local news this morning and both ran roughly five-minute obit pieces on Teddy...

One mentioned Chappaquiddick and the scandal with his nephew. The other made no mention of it.

Neither of the channels was Fox. I just thought that was interesting. It's like running Nixon's obit without mentioning Watergate.

RIP Teddy...


The AP obit I saw this morning had it deep ... deep in the story.
And no mention of his drinking ...
 
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