Michael Vick out early?

[Drip]

From AP

Former NFL quarterback Michael Vick pleaded guilty Tuesday to a state dogfighting charge, a move that could make him eligible to leave prison early and potentially speed up a return to pro football.
Vick, 28, arrived wearing wrist and ankle shackles, but they were removed by the time he entered the courtroom. The former Atlanta Falcons star also pleaded not guilty to a count of cruelty to animals, but that count was dropped under his plea deal.

 

[Beef03]

Not really surprised.

I think the government is satisfied with the point they made, I think the general public just doesn't care anymore, although I am sure there are those that would still like to see him burned at the stake -- I for one would welcome more jail time. The Government has spent millions already in prosecuting him and his cohorts, and Vick is crippled financially and there is no guarantee he will get a mega bucks deal upon his return to the NFL.

A) His reputation isn't exactly one many teams will be excited to bring into the fold.
B) He still has time to serve and two years of rust is two years of rust (or will it be closer to three by the time he is out of jail with the investigation time, etc., included?)
C) The climate in the NFL has changed since he was last in the NFL. I think the fad of the XBOX quarterback has passed. First it was Vick's inability to really develop as a passer, despite his unbelievable athletic ability. The Young disaster in Tennessee. The Tarvaris Jackson flop in Minnesota. JaMarcus Russell's struggles in Oakland. The regression of McNabb and Culpepper -- although that's more than likely age and injuries catching up. You look at the new guys that are becoming big names and having success -- Ryan, Flacco, Cassel, Orton, Rodgers, etc -- While they still have some mobility for the most part, they are pocketpassers first.
D) The Toronto Argonauts may give him his best offer in regards to chance to play.

 

[Starman]

He pleads guilty to an ADDITIONAL charge, and his prison time is REDUCED?

OK, fine. I forgot about the "presumption of innocence."

All perps are always presumed innocent, regardless of conclusive proof of their guilt, regardless of conviction, regardless of anything. Everybody's always innocent, forever.

 

[Big Circus]

C) The climate in the NFL has changed since he was last in the NFL. I think the fad of the XBOX quarterback has passed. First it was Vick's inability to really develop as a passer, despite his unbelievable athletic ability. The Young disaster in Tennessee. The Tarvaris Jackson flop in Minnesota. JaMarcus Russell's struggles in Oakland. The regression of McNabb and Culpepper -- although that's more than likely age and injuries catching up. You look at the new guys that are becoming big names and having success -- Ryan, Flacco, Cassel, Orton, Rodgers, etc -- While they still have some mobility for the most part, they are pocketpassers first.

Oh, boy.

 

[Beef03]

C) The climate in the NFL has changed since he was last in the NFL. I think the fad of the XBOX quarterback has passed. First it was Vick's inability to really develop as a passer, despite his unbelievable athletic ability. The Young disaster in Tennessee. The Tarvaris Jackson flop in Minnesota. JaMarcus Russell's struggles in Oakland. The regression of McNabb and Culpepper -- although that's more than likely age and injuries catching up. You look at the new guys that are becoming big names and having success -- Ryan, Flacco, Cassel, Orton, Rodgers, etc -- While they still have some mobility for the most part, they are pocketpassers first.

Oh, boy.

Tarvaris Jackson still sting?

The point I was trying to make it has always been Vick's contention that he will pay his creditors back with his next big pay day in the NFL. He'll get another shot somewhere, but the market for him isn't exactly flush with opportunities and the ever evolving style in the NFL is one reason why.

 

[Big Circus]

Ouch, dude. (And yes, he does. Very much so.)

Anyway, my "Oh, boy" was actually a reference to the common thread tying together your unsuccessful QB's, but I jumped the gun on it. You did leave out two black QBs, but one of them is probably the most successful running-style QB there is, so I can see why. I thought there was a racial undertone to your post, but reading it again, it's a lot less sinister than I originally had thought.

One quibble - JaMarcus Russell is hardly a running quarterback. He's got fewer rushing yards than Jay Freakin' Cutler. He's got a huge arm, but that's the only video-game quality he's got.

EDIT: Your point about changing offenses and Vick's future in the league is a good one. But ask yourself this - wouldn't you love to see him in the Wildcat?

 

[bigpern23]

C) The climate in the NFL has changed since he was last in the NFL. I think the fad of the XBOX quarterback has passed. First it was Vick's inability to really develop as a passer, despite his unbelievable athletic ability. The Young disaster in Tennessee. The Tarvaris Jackson flop in Minnesota. JaMarcus Russell's struggles in Oakland. The regression of McNabb and Culpepper -- although that's more than likely age and injuries catching up. You look at the new guys that are becoming big names and having success -- Ryan, Flacco, Cassel, Orton, Rodgers, etc -- While they still have some mobility for the most part, they are pocketpassers first.

Oh, boy.

Tarvaris Jackson still sting?

The point I was trying to make it has always been Vick's contention that he will pay his creditors back with his next big pay day in the NFL. He'll get another shot somewhere, but the market for him isn't exactly flush with opportunities and the ever evolving style in the NFL is one reason why.

It is interesting to note that you mentioned just about every black quarterback in the league outside of Jason Campbell as "Xbox quarterbacks" - a moniker that certainly doesn't apply to McNabb and hasn't in years - and mentioned several white quarterbacks - including Kyle ****ing Orton - among "successful" quarterbacks.

I think that's what Big Circus was referring to.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

I'm fine with it if they determine that he's done his time and earned an early release. He's already served a substantial amount of time and I don't get the impression that he was sent to a Club Fed type place either.

I don't think he'll ever be effective in the NFL again, but I'm looking forward to watching him try and fail. I wonder what team, if any, will give him a shot.

 

[spnited]

He could be out in July then it will be up to Goodell whether he gets reinstated immediately.
I can't see him ever being a successful NFL starter again.

 

[da man]

Mike Vick might be getting out of jail?

Paging Jerry Jones.

 

[txsportsscribe]

I wonder what team, if any, will give him a shot.

damn you, da man. i was just posting those exact same words.

 

[Big Circus]

I wonder what team, if any, will give him a shot.

One of the Zombie Brothers:

Or their annoying sidekick:

 

[Grimace]

Punt returner? Third-down back? A specialist who runs some of the Wildcat formation stuff? I think there's a place for someone with his skills (if they haven't totally eroded) in the NFL. But I doubt he'll be a fulltime QB again.

Then again, the Lions could use a QB.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Then again, the Lions could use a QB.

. . . which has NOTHING to do with Michael Vick.

 

[heyabbott]

...On Sunday, Young watched Brett Favre outplay Kerry Collins as the Jets convincingly snapped Tennessee’s unbeaten streak, 34-13. Among other things, the loss may be a signal to Tennessee that as the water gets deeper, the Titans may need less of a manager at quarterback and more of a playmaker.

In an ideal world, this is where Young could step in. ...

Young’s benching is the end, for now at least, of new-age quarterbacks on the brink of redefining of the quarterback position. With Michael Vick behind bars, Young on the bench and Donovan McNabb morphed more or less into a pocket passer, the league’s quarterback pool has reverted to the statue-like signal-callers who hang tough in the pocket, protected by rules designed to keeping defensive linemen and linebackers at bay...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/24/sports/football/24rhodensot.html?ref=sports

 

[Mizzougrad96]

If I was a NFL team, the only way I would even consider him would be to use in a similar way to how Pittsburgh used Kordell during his rookie season.

No way does any team trust him as the starting QB. The Raiders have Russell, the Cowboys have Romo and even though Campbell isn't exactly a superstar in Washington, I don't see him being a fit there either.

 

[da man]

If I was a NFL team, the only way I would even consider him would be to use in a similar way to how Pittsburgh used Kordell during his rookie season.

No way does any team trust him as the starting QB. The Raiders have Russell, the Cowboys have Romo and even though Campbell isn't exactly a superstar in Washington, I don't see him being a fit there either.

Jerry signs Vick as Romo's backup, since right now he has none. Has a press conference and claims the deal is ``low risk,'' or a ``win-win.''

No one will sign Vick as a starter until he shows he can be trusted to stay out of trouble. Jerry won't be able to resist the publicity Vick will generate, nor the fantasy football aspect of having this guy on his team.

 

[Beef03]

C) The climate in the NFL has changed since he was last in the NFL. I think the fad of the XBOX quarterback has passed. First it was Vick's inability to really develop as a passer, despite his unbelievable athletic ability. The Young disaster in Tennessee. The Tarvaris Jackson flop in Minnesota. JaMarcus Russell's struggles in Oakland. The regression of McNabb and Culpepper -- although that's more than likely age and injuries catching up. You look at the new guys that are becoming big names and having success -- Ryan, Flacco, Cassel, Orton, Rodgers, etc -- While they still have some mobility for the most part, they are pocketpassers first.

Oh, boy.

Tarvaris Jackson still sting?

The point I was trying to make it has always been Vick's contention that he will pay his creditors back with his next big pay day in the NFL. He'll get another shot somewhere, but the market for him isn't exactly flush with opportunities and the ever evolving style in the NFL is one reason why.

It is interesting to note that you mentioned just about every black quarterback in the league outside of Jason Campbell as "Xbox quarterbacks" - a moniker that certainly doesn't apply to McNabb and hasn't in years - and mentioned several white quarterbacks - including Kyle ****ing Orton - among "successful" quarterbacks.

I think that's what Big Circus was referring to.

****, I'm sorry. racial lines were the least of my consideration when quickly punching out that post. Although going back and reading it I can see why it came off of like that. Too me the only real misnomer in that list would be Jamarcus Russell. McNabb double underlines my point. His style early on I think led to taking many more hits as he was exposed out of the pocket and helped lead to the injury problems he's had the last, what five, six years. Besides, the more he toned down the scrambling and running wild the more successful he became.

For a few years the fad was to get that super athlete at QB because of the excitement Vick brought. But as it has panned out there hasn't been a whole lot of success with that style of quarterback. There has been some, but it has been minimal. The big thing is to just gain that extra second or two by sliding out of the pocket or keeping the play alive as the pocket collapses as a last resort instead of it being a first or second instinct to run. That being said I would pay to watch Vick in the wild cat.

And Orton is having a hell of a year. If the Bears defence could figure out how to stop the pass they could be looking a lot better then they are.

 

[DanOregon]

I think Vick has done his time - seemed to be repentant - unlike some players still suiting up on Sundays and should be able to come back without having to sit out - have him on probation or something.

 

[Drip]

What Vick did wasn't racial. It was stupid. He's paying his debt to society. I say leave him alone.