Manny

[spnited]

Manny could hit 70 HRs, drive in 200 runs, bat .380 and Bill James would invent some douchebag sabermetric stat to show he wasn't a good hitter.

Thats the type of year he could have if he was paid with incentives and not given the bonds treatment.

Those kinds of incentives are prohbited in the standard MLB contract.
Plate appearances, games played, awards, OK. Specific individual numbers, no.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Longtime Bosox disliker that I am, I find myself strangely rooting for them to advance to a meeting with Manny in the World Series.

Me too, with Torre winning it all at Fenway.

 

[spnited]

Longtime Bosox disliker that I am, I find myself strangely rooting for them to advance to a meeting with Manny in the World Series.

Me too, with Torre winning it all at Fenway.

And Manny winning the Series MVP

 

[Tom Petty]

i'd just settle for the dodgers winning the series.

 

[spnited]

But how great would it be to see the obnoxious "Red Sox Nation" suffer at the hands of Manny!

 

[Tom Petty]

But how great would it be to see the obnoxious "Red Sox Nation" suffer at the hands of Manny!

i dunno. i never really liked manny until he became a dodger for about a month, and aside from bostonbred, i don't dislike red sox fans.

sorry to **** on your guys' parade.

 

[Oz]

But how great would it be to see the obnoxious "Red Sox Nation" suffer at the hands of Manny!

Hell, he could do that by making the World Series while the Red Sox don't.

 

[imjustagirl]

I was always partial to the Red Sox over the Yankees, but having moved to the Northeast? I now hate them both. Nearly equally.

 

[Tom Petty]

I was always partial to the Red Sox over the Yankees, but having moved to the Northeast? I now hate them both. Nearly equally.

being from the PNW and being a dodger fan, i simply hate the ****ing yankees, period.

with all the hate i channel at those ****ers, there's really no more baseball rage to go around.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Longtime Bosox disliker that I am, I find myself strangely rooting for them to advance to a meeting with Manny in the World Series.

Me too, with Torre winning it all at Fenway.

And Manny winning the Series MVP

Nah... Bay MVP in losing cause... 4 HRs in the series

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

But how great would it be to see the obnoxious "Red Sox Nation" suffer at the hands of Manny!

I was thinking more about the obnoxious New York asshats seeing Torre, who all of a ****ing sudden wasn't good enough for them, win it all up close and personal, with the team that ditched Brooklyn no less.

 

[Michael_ Gee]

Most Boston fans liked, and still like, Ramirez a lot. Yes, he can be, uh, notional. But he doesn't loaf on the field on grounders, pop ups, etc. any more than other sluggers, including sainted former teammate Papi. Ninety percent of the "Manny nonsense" in his stay in Boston was bull**** generated by the "baseball is a religion" section of sports media that has freaked out about sluggers since time was.
NONE of the charges made about Manny were not also made against Ted Williams. Twas ever thus in this burg.
IMO, the Sox saw Manny's little walkabout in July as a God-given opportunity to justify trading him rather than not picking up his option at the end of the year and getting nothing in return. Manny doesn't sit for TWO DAYS (not much of strike, I'd say), the fans lynch Theo for the trade.
So the Sox have Bay, who is all they need as long as Youkilis keeps hitting the way he has this season. Manny has LA. Everybody's happy.
It says it all about the nature of sports, fandom, and sports journalism these days that we have a thread on its third page devoted to the simple concept "A trade that helps both clubs."

 

[slappy4428]

Manny will eventually wear out his welcome in LA the way he did in Cleveland and Boston. But as long as he's motivated and happy where he is, he's a great hitter with a flair for the dramatic. As a Red Sox fan, I hate the way he left, but I have to acknowledge that while he was there, he came through with some great moments that helped them win two World Series and slay the ghost of the Babe. For that, he'll always remembered with a measure of fondness in Bawston.

Tough to wear out your welcome when you are only there for three months.

Not really.

 

[Sam Mills 51]

If you thought Scott Boras rang up some poor owner with Carlos Beltran, what he'll do with Manny will make Beltran feel absolutely robbed.

I can't stand Boras, but please ... challenge this theory. And the rumor that Boras wanted Manny out of Boston has legs. He got zero if the Sox picked up the options for the next two years. For all the squawking Boras does bleating his love for baseball, he'd run over his mother - or anyone else in his family - for commissions.

 

[slappy4428]

If you thought Scott Boras rang up some poor owner with Carlos Beltran, what he'll do with Manny will make Beltran feel absolutely robbed.

I can't stand Boras, but please ... challenge this theory. And the rumor that Boras wanted Manny out of Boston has legs. He got zero if the Sox picked up the options for the next two years. For all the squawking Boras does bleating his love for baseball, he'd run over his mother - or anyone else in his family - for commissions.

Who can challenge a theory that makes Boras look like more if a money-grubbing ****head?

 

[Sam Mills 51]

You get the point, Slap. It's one thing to look out for your clients. That's an agent's job. But Boras is a living heart donor who possesses unparalleled arrogance.

 

[Michael_ Gee]

Based on my personal contacts with Ramirez, I reject the notion he's just putty in Boras' hands. Boras is good at a ****ty business. But that doesn't make him Svengali. The wicked agent, however, is a handy character for those who believe sports is a fairy tale and not real, messy, complicated life.

 

[Sam Mills 51]

Manny probably plays dumb a lot more than most of us know. But there has to be a reason Manny dumped his agents and went with Boras, and I don't think it's because he serves cool breakfast pastry when clients visit his office.

 

[Michael_ Gee]

Sam, I couldn't agree more. When a ballplayer hires Boras, it's the BALLPLAYER who's driving the situation. He knows what he's getting, and that is maximum, ethically questionable (to be polite) hardball. Agents are facilitators. Players have the final say.

 

[JC]

If you want to sign Manny wht not offer a one year deal at a ridiculously high price. 30 to 35 mil for one year. That way you prtoect yourself from any long term problems.
I know it is highly unlikely that Boras would ever except this but Manny on a 1 year deal is frightening.